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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    easy_rider911:

    @John H: that's a pity - it seemed like you were really keen on that one  Certainly, the Carrara White one was lovely.

    OPCs nowadays behave little better than estate agents where the practice of 'gazumping' has been coming back  OPCs care little about the relationship they have with customers - they just want to get the money in now - even if that means disappointing a customer who has already scheduled a test drive 

    It's true I was very keen on both this car's appearance and it's specification and would probably have bought it if I'd had the chance to drive it.

    Obviously I was very annoyed with the salesman I was dealing with when he gave me the bad news.  His 'explanation' was that, although I'd shown interest in the car, I hadn't committed myself sufficiently to prevent an alternative and definite deal being struck by another salesman.

    I suggested that by agreeing to my testing the car, on returning from my trip, the OPC was ethically obligated to do so, even if another firmer offer had been negotiated in my absence.

    His response was - and this was key - the 'powers-that-be' insisted that the sale go through as their financial year-end was, in fact, yesterday.. 31st July. 

    Although still of the opinion that this should have been disclosed to me earlier, if it was to be of major significance to the availability of the car, I could, to some extent, accept that this could be classed as exceptional circumstances.

    However!  The announcement below suggests this to be a downright lie and I shall be pursuing it further tomorrow...Smiley

    http://beta.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201007211655377220P

     

     

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Does not surprise me at all, John..Obviously the dealer's are still struggling so money talks even louder at present, must have been an on the spot deal / signature...

    Not to worry, though, there will be other's


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    John, IMHO they are talking BS - IMO, even if you had put down a 'holding deposit' of say £300, and then another buyer came along who was prepared to pay the full price in one go, my strong suspicion is that they would have taken the money straightaway just so that they could make the sale before the end of the month figures. And then they would have found an excuse for handing you back your holding deposit.

    So arranging a test drive (and even putting down a holding deposit) IMO would, in their eyes, not have been 'a sufficient expression of interest' if another definite buyer was competing with you.

    IMO they are making up their rules of conduct as they go along according to what suits them i.e. deciding on the outcome and then retrospectively finding the justification for it.


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    easy_rider911:

    Somehow, I think the next car for me to get may be a 991 GT3 

    You are right Easy Smiley

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    I think white C4S with red stripes + wider hips looks very sexy.

    However, I wouldn't buy a 997.2 if I already have a 997.1

    Depriciation would be huge. Also 991 is just around the corner.

    However, I would always choose the C2S over 4S as it is more sporty, nimble and lighter.

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Thanks, that makes me feel so much better..

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    And John, this is a perfect time to apply the line in your signature


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    FFaust:

    And John, this is a perfect time to apply the line in your signature

    Exactly... thanks for the reminder..Smiley

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Gnil:
    To me the engine improvement and the better front aesthetics are 50% of the pleasure in the 997.2 . The car is MUCH faster then the 997.1 ( at least with the PDK ) and that is a real joy and I can appreciate everyday....

     

     

    I totally agree. The engine is in a different league. It does pull harder from low rev and is explosive above 5000 rpm. I also think that both the front and rear aesthetics are a lot better than the 997.1. The PCM is a huge leap forward too (with touch screen and 3D map view). The iPod integration is exceptionally well done too.

    I had a 997.1 Carrera S, a 997.1 Carrera 4S and a 997.2 Carrera S now and I would choose rear wheel drive over all wheel drive any day. The car has a much more lively feeling with only rear wheel drive and the steering is lighter and more precise. Bad weather and road  conditions does not make a big difference with rear or all wheel drive. There is so much traction on the 911 that all wheel drive is not a necessity.

    PDK versus manual is a difficult question. One really needs to carefully test both before deciding. I went for manual and I am not regretting that choice (but it is of course a very subjective choice based on personal preferences).

    I would also recommend to get a car with the PASM Sport Suspension. It is FANTASTIC! Period. Smiley

     

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    If you take weekend trips not alone, consider that the C4S has about half the front luggage capacity of the C2S. 


    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    aGrant:

    If you take weekend trips not alone, consider that the C4S has about half the front luggage capacity of the C2S. 


    It's not that much less in the 4WD cars, it's 105 versus 135 litres. Smiley


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Well I always found my C2S boot rather on the small side - I frequently had to put the last bags of weekly food shopping on the back seats. The loss of 30% of the space available was always one of the biggies that put me off going for the sexy widebodied C4S.

    Porsche really need to find a few more litres of space in the new 991.


    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Adam2S:

    Porsche really need to find a few more litres of space in the new 991.


    But that would mean a bigger car (whta probably will happen...). Smiley
     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    aGrant:

    If you take weekend trips not alone, consider that the C4S has about half the front luggage capacity of the C2S. 

    That's something I didn't know!

    It means I wouldn't be able to get my golf trolley in the boot..Smiley

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Rossi:
    aGrant:

    If you take weekend trips not alone, consider that the C4S has about half the front luggage capacity of the C2S. 


    It's not that much less in the 4WD cars, it's 105 versus 135 litres. Smiley

    Well, the difference is almost 30% Smiley

    Just kidding Stefan Smiley

    Still waiting for your ultimate reviewSmiley


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    I ordered a new carrera s cab on friday march 18 2011 dealer said i will get my car in mid May and it will be an 2012 model. The dealer was unsure when the 991 model will be available he thinks  some time in 2013.   


    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Welcome to Rennteam flyman1458

    John H bought a 997 Carrera GTS in the end  


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    easy_rider911:

    Welcome to Rennteam flyman1458
     

     +1 welcome Smiley


    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    flyman1458:

    I ordered a new carrera s cab on friday march 18 2011 dealer said i will get my car in mid May and it will be an 2012 model. The dealer was unsure when the 991 model will be available he thinks  some time in 2013.   

     

    Have you read our 991 threads? 

    Official introduction 991 Carrera Coupe December 2011 in Germany.

    Official introduction 991 Carrera Cab aprox. 6 months later.

    US dates should be close to that.

    I'm not sure why you ordered a Carrera S Cab because in my opinion, the Carrera GTS Cab is a bargain compared to the S but congratulations, you definitely made a good choice, the 997 Carrera S Cab is a very nice and reliable Porsche. Smiley

     


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    RC:

    I'm not sure why you ordered a Carrera S Cab because in my opinion, the Carrera GTS Cab is a bargain compared to the S but congratulations, you definitely made a good choice, the 997 Carrera S Cab is a very nice and reliable Porsche. Smiley

     


    Hahaha, that read above tickled me. Smiley..

    But should our friend cancel,, yes, imo..Smiley.

    Congrats, whatever you buy, fly Smiley..


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Enmanuel:
    easy_rider911:

    Welcome to Rennteam flyman1458
     

     +1 welcome Smiley

    +2 welcome...Smiley

    I very much doubt there will be a MY2012 997 Carrera as such.  The 991 will have been launched by then, certainly not in 2013 - your salesman is spinning you a line IMHO.

    I can concur with what RC has said in that a 997GTS makes much more sense than the 997S at this time.  I ordered mine last September and took delivery in January - it's a fabulous buy for very little more than the 'S' (given equal optional spec' of course).

    You really should spend some time evaluating the choice with a view to amending your order...Smiley

     

      


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    flyman1458:

    I ordered a new carrera s cab on friday march 18 2011 dealer said i will get my car in mid May and it will be an 2012 model. The dealer was unsure when the 991 model will be available he thinks  some time in 2013.   

     2013? he should now by now that the 991 will be presented this fall and will be in dealerships early 2012 the lattest, so if he told you that its to get you to order a 997 now under false pretense, IMO unacceptable practice. That of he is clueless and is not doing his job. I would go back and give him an earfull and cancel my order and order it elsewere. And would take the opportunity to order a GTSCab instead because like others have said, its a better value, its a better overall car, and it will hold its value better. Just give it some though, you are still in time.

    BTW, Welcome to Rennteam Smiley 4


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    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    I just made the same jump from a 997.1 C2S-manual to a 997.2 C2S-PDK.  I can's speak to the debate about 2 or 4, but I can tell you that I could not be more pleased with the 30 horsepower, the PDK and other tech improvements to the car.  The new car is an amazing upgrade from the older one.  To drive it is comfortably familiar, but at the same time, a edgier, more powerful driving expereince.

    Which ever way you go, you will be most pleased with the 997.2 with PDK.


    Re: C2S versus C4S?

    Mid-Life Fun:

    Which ever way you go, you will be most pleased with the 997.2 with PDK.

    I would never argue on that. Smiley

    Congratulations !!! Smiley


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