reginos:
Rossi:
Can't help myself, but in these pics and particularly in this colour the car doesn't look good.
The car doesn't look, full stop! It lacks good proportions which for many people is the essence of beauty.
McLaren's decision to put all the radiators at the back spoiled the design. I don't know if there was a significant technical merit in choosing this configuration. I don't know also why someone would choose this car over a Ferrari. McLaren are a big name in F1 but their road car business amounts to 2 1/2 cars in 30 years.
Huh! Huh!
Remember your original opinion about Audi R8 design? R8 is considered to become a design icon by many people...
You hate Mclaren MP4-12C design but, you think that Panamera is a good design? OK, I guess...
My friend from Italy who already own 458 likes Mclaren MP4-12C even more then me and is keen to get one. He is blind I guess? BTW, he works for famous Italian Fashion brand from Milano's Golden Triangle...
And technically MP4-12C is above ALL competitors. Mclaren is using 458 Italia as current benchmark and MP4-12C is even in current VP(validation prototyp) examples faster on all test track that Mclaren is using(Ring included-for your info that white one achieved faster time then CGT, with standard tires!)...
KresoF1:
reginos:
Rossi:
Can't help myself, but in these pics and particularly in this colour the car doesn't look good.
The car doesn't look, full stop! It lacks good proportions which for many people is the essence of beauty.
McLaren's decision to put all the radiators at the back spoiled the design. I don't know if there was a significant technical merit in choosing this configuration. I don't know also why someone would choose this car over a Ferrari. McLaren are a big name in F1 but their road car business amounts to 2 1/2 cars in 30 years.
Huh! Huh!Remember your original opinion about Audi R8 design? R8 is considered to become a design icon by many people...
You hate Mclaren MP4-12C design but, you think that Panamera is a good design? OK, I guess...
My friend from Italy who already own 458 likes Mclaren MP4-12C even more then me and is keen to get one. He is blind I guess? BTW, he works for famous Italian Fashion brand from Milano's Golden Triangle...
And technically MP4-12C is above ALL competitors. Mclaren is using 458 Italia as current benchmark and MP4-12C is even in current VP(validation prototyp) examples faster on all test track that Mclaren is using(Ring included-for your info that white one achieved faster time then CGT, with standard tires!)...
Kreso, in matters of taste there is no quarrel. We all like different shapes, different sounds and different flavours. Nothing bad or unusual in it. No one is right or wrong either.
The MP4-12C for me, is not a special shape to rival a Ferrari. It's not bad looking per se but it doesn't have that unique star quality visually bearing in mind that it is the only model from a special manufacturer. If it was Toyota's showcase car or a Lotus, it might have been great.
The Panamera is just a fast limousine with good handling rivaling mainstream cars, no relevance in this context. Why you mentioned it I don't understand.
As regards the technology, I have no doubt that it will be cutting edge and the performance will be like you say.
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"Form follows function"
Apr 29, 2010 12:08:32 AM
Apr 29, 2010 7:25:58 AM
Gnil:
If they cahnge the two air inlets on the side and make it only one , it would look already better . ( but maybe needed for proper ventilation )
Can someone photoshop those air intakes and make it into one?
If the MP4-12C only had a single side intake, it could end up looking similar to an Ascari...
Apr 30, 2010 3:51:09 PM
KresoF1:
reginos:
Rossi:
Can't help myself, but in these pics and particularly in this colour the car doesn't look good.
The car doesn't look, full stop! It lacks good proportions which for many people is the essence of beauty.
McLaren's decision to put all the radiators at the back spoiled the design. I don't know if there was a significant technical merit in choosing this configuration. I don't know also why someone would choose this car over a Ferrari. McLaren are a big name in F1 but their road car business amounts to 2 1/2 cars in 30 years.
My friend from Italy who already own 458 likes Mclaren MP4-12C even more then me and is keen to get one. He is blind I guess? BTW, he works for famous Italian Fashion brand from Milano's Golden Triangle...
How is that even relevant in any way... ?
I personally like the MP4-12C very much. And I still think that the Audi R8 looks unbalanced.
To each his own.
Apr 30, 2010 5:32:29 PM
Point is different people-different taste. Relevant in way that even Italian who works for Italian fashion brand can like British sportscar more then Ferrari. Just... You did not understand that... Maybe problem is the fact that English is my third language
Sorry for the intrusion,I have no intention of having a "war" with you but KresoF1 for that i checked Italians still have right to their own opinions,they are not obligated to like Ferrari design more than others simple because they are Italians.
Leblanc:
Italians still have right to their own opinions,they are not obligated to like Ferrari design more than others simple because they are Italians.
Huh? I always thought this was article one of the Italian Constitution?
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Gnil:
If they cahnge the two air inlets on the side and make it only one , it would look already better . ( but maybe needed for proper ventilation )
Can someone photoshop those air intakes and make it into one?
IMO there are three very important design options, you have to choose with this car:
1) side vanes in carbon fibre: make these silly looking side intakes look less silly
2) stealth package: make this silly looking exhaust vanish
3) front splitter in body colour: give that silly looking front a whole new design
If you choose all three, especially with colours different to black or dark grey, the looks of the car will improve.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Rossi:
Gnil:
If they cahnge the two air inlets on the side and make it only one , it would look already better . ( but maybe needed for proper ventilation )
Can someone photoshop those air intakes and make it into one?
IMO there are three very important design options, you have to choose with this car:1) side vanes in carbon fibre: make these silly looking side intakes look less silly
2) stealth package: make this silly looking exhaust vanish
3) front splitter in body colour: give that silly looking front a whole new designIf you choose all three, especially with colours different to black or dark grey, the looks of the car will improve.
This will get rid of all the cars silliness.
I personally think the MP4-12C will be a fantastic drivers car. I had specced mine out on their website already but from the looks of it there wil not be any dealers in Scandinavia, which is not surprising given the potential market I know (but you can order it with an extra set of winter tyres... ).
Got this by mail on friday:
Dear Klas ,
Today, we are delighted to announce the city locations of our global retail network.
We are in the final stages of appointing our retail partners and expect to confirm the names of the majority of these partners in the coming weeks. However, we can confirm we will be represented by many of the world’s best automotive retailers in the following cities and markets:
· Europe: Birmingham, London, Manchester; Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich; Brussels; Monaco, Paris; Milan; Barcelona/Madrid; Zurich
· North America: Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, Orange County, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Tampa; Toronto
· Middle-East / South Africa: Manama; Doha; Jeddah, Riyadh; Dubai, Abu Dhabi; Kuwait; Johannesburg
· Asia-Pacific: Hong Kong; Singapore; Sydney; Tokyo
We look forward to informing you when further details of our retail partners are confirmed.
Kindest regards,
Client Services
McLaren Automotive
Original plan was much bigger dealer base. My friend even visited McLaren HQ and was in deep negotiations with Mclaren when they gave him an offer for 2012 start-for a showroom/service department in Zagreb that will cover Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Serbia and Monte Negro. He was shocked since he already made some serious preparations. Currently his state of mind is to step away from deal with McLaren.
BTW, I received the same email-so, McLaren is expected that me for example will purchase the car in Munich and once a year drive the car to Munich for service check? Hmm... I do not think so.
I wont jump to any conclusion or even worst decline from purchasing MP4-12C. McLaren mentioned that they will offer excellent service and after sale care-let's wait and see.
Only thing that I am supriesed is the fact that someone at McLaren thinks that money exist only in "old" markets. IMHO they will cover all "old" markets needs in first six months of MP4-12C sale. These days money is elsewhere...
I have the same concern as you guys. Granted Australia is a small market but I am not prepared to buy a car whose dealer is 1000km away. If Rolls Royce can be in both Melbourne and Sydney, why can't McLaren? I suspect this is only until they release the cheaper model (volume). Once that happens, I suspect we will be seeing dealerships in the same places that a brand like Rolls Royce has.
I´m sure this car will be one of the best on the road, but it lacks what a proper exoctic super car must have...drama. The lines are plain boring. It looks more dated than a six year old Gallardo, which by the way looks much better.
J.Seven
I'm also disappointed to see that my city is not included in the initial launch. For a car like this, a proper service center is a must. I do not want to have any part failure while I'm pulling 1g in the corners or doing top speed on the motorway.
I'm also afraid that it is a different story when compared to Rolls Royce. They had an existing BMW dealer network to pull resources from and McLaren can take much longer to build similar dealer networks in the world. I'll wait and see what happens but I'm looking for an alternative way to spend my GBP 180,000 for the moment,.
Jun 16, 2010 8:28:57 AM
Jun 16, 2010 8:14:53 PM
Service has always been an issue with McLaren. This is why I have not and would never consider buying one. This car will require special equipment and specially trained mechanics. I doubt any of these retailers will want to spend the money for the few cars they will sell.
I believe Jay Leno had to send his McLaren to England for servicing.