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...nothing to add... perfect race for Mark Webber! 
May 16, 2010 9:28:46 PM
- Atzporsche
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
Yes im for Vettel, but right now im impressed with MW stepping up and delivering. It is good for hin, Vettel and RBR and it also proves all the haters wrong, who said MW was a mid pack driver. Alonso and Hamilton are that these races.....
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May 16, 2010 9:36:10 PM
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
Atzporsche:
Yes im for Vettel, but right now im impressed with MW stepping up and delivering. It is good for hin, Vettel and RBR and it also proves all the haters wrong, who said MW was a mid pack driver. Alonso and Hamilton are that these races.....
...so you may like my pic of Seb.... there will be other time. Anyhow, it looks like there is no completly dominating driver this year.
May 16, 2010 10:38:38 PM
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
Atzporsche:
Carlos from Spain:
Simple, breaking a rule = penalty (unless you are Hamilton).
NO its even more simple, GREEN FLAG = GO
Alonso = FAILthe 20 seconds penalty is pulled out of thin air and typically FIA crap. If the rules were so simple according to you, how come everyone still races thru the checkered flag? If the rules were clear i would coast thru it to save my engine
My definition of FAIL would not be starting 24th and finishing 6th, it would be starting 7th and finishing 12th instead of 7th because of a manuever all 6 marshalls deemed ilegal 
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May 17, 2010 12:04:08 AM
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Webber has always been a pretty skilled driver, it's just that he always have the worse of luck, seems like this year his luck has definitely changed.
Credit where credits is due, Alonso did drive great to climb to 6th, a powerful engine also helps, so does the pit stops.
Schumacher has always been known to take advantage of any openings, no matter how tiny it is, same deal with Senna, that's why these 2 are the greatest and most exciting to watch.
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I've just about had it with F1..!!
The ONLY meaningful overtaking manoeuvre in the last two races has been deemed illegal..
I don't think I'll be watching any more 'dry' races....
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May 17, 2010 1:02:16 AM
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John H:
I've just about had it with F1..!!
The ONLY meaningful overtaking manoeuvre in the last two races has been deemed illegal..
I don't think I'll be watching any more 'dry' races....
LOL, sad but true. I miss the exciting days of racing.
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May 17, 2010 5:04:27 AM
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It's beyond me how Damon Hill can decide objectively on Schumacher's latest maneuver
There is a story that when Schumacher in a Benneton (1994 and 1995) was beating Hill in the much superior Williams, MS once won a race although his car was stuck in 5th gear for the latter part of the race, with Hill only managing second place. Obviously, Hill was demoralized and devastated so much that his race engineer made him do the same number of laps as Scumacher in 5th gear in training in order to lift his self confidence.
With these traumas how can he be objective 
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May 17, 2010 5:44:01 AM
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Carlos from Spain:
Atzporsche:
Carlos from Spain:
Simple, breaking a rule = penalty (unless you are Hamilton).
NO its even more simple, GREEN FLAG = GO
Alonso = FAILthe 20 seconds penalty is pulled out of thin air and typically FIA crap. If the rules were so simple according to you, how come everyone still races thru the checkered flag? If the rules were clear i would coast thru it to save my engine
My definition of FAIL would not be starting 24th and finishing 6th, it would be starting 7th and finishing 12th instead of 7th because of a manuever all 6 marshalls deemed ilegal
You are just upset because he passed him 
Just admit it
...sounds like that. The maneuver was great racing. Thats it and should be accepted like that. Shows the difference between overtaking and OVERTAKING.
Yes....I was there, though I mentioned it before. Monaco is very special and being onsite was awesome! 
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MS manouvre was against the rules. Period.
I tell you something, MS knew exactly, what he was doing and that he possibly wouldn't come away with it, but he tried nevertheless. Even the commentators in German television knew that it was an illegal move, so don't try to argue MS and his whole team were unaware of it. 
He tried and failed. 20 seconds penalty deems too hard for me though, I would have put him back in seventh place.
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Rossi:
I tell you something, MS knew exactly, what he was doing and that he possibly wouldn't come away with it, but he tried nevertheless. Even the commentators in German television knew that it was an illegal move, so don't try to argue MS and his whole team were unaware of it.
That's the MS we have always liked. The opportunist predator playing with his own rules of the moment and trying to justify later.
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
No discussion at all:
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/fia.html
40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.
Michael and Brown should have read this.
Germans have a lot of problems with Alonso. Is it because he won two times before MSC with an inferior car?? I don't know.
For me Alonso is current the best driver. After him Hamilton, Kubica and Vettel.
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
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No discussion at all:
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/fia.html
40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.
Michael and Brown should have read this.
...IMO, strange rules, independant if its impacts Schu or not. BTW I am not a hardcore Schu fan. In fact in beginning of his F1 appearance I didn´t liked him a lot. Nevertheless his driving capabilities and achievements are without a doubt.
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ALDO:
Germans have a lot of problems with Alonso. Is it because he won two times before MSC with an inferior car?? I don't know.
For me Alonso is current the best driver. After him Hamilton, Kubica and Vettel.
...I think thats not about being german or not. Many people have an issue with Alonso big headed mentality. Without a doubt he is very strong allround driver, though there a couple of downsides to his strengths or questionmarks behind his achievements. I.e. in yesterdays race....yes strong overtaking in the beginning, although he achieved 2/3 of his positions due to Ferraris tyre strategy (change after 1 lap). BTW Ferrari would have done so also without the SC out in lap one. No overtaking of a somewhat comparable car...
IMO Alonsos resume after 6 races for the reds doesn´t look unquestionable bright. The crash in 3rd practice this weekend was already his 2nd major failure after the jump start in China. Without a doubt he is No. 1 at Ferrari now, which also benefits from the fact that Massa is not (yet) the old.
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Yes, that is the problem.
Rule 40.13 is so clear, there is no doubt about it.
The green signals on the other hand are either totally wrong (then MSC punishing is incorrect) or the green signals are totally correct because it is the last lap, safety car will come in and the therefore free but without overtake due to rule 40.13.
Third, nobody talked about when you are allowed to overtake after safety car. As I understand the rules, you are allowed to overtake after the start-finish line. The leading car define the pace and no one is allowed to overtake before the line. Also in this case, when will we see green flags or light? I think at the moment the safety car leaves the track. Also the driver seeing the green flags is only allowed to overtake after the start-finish line.
So there is no way to overtake in the last lap with safety car, because passing the line the race is finished.
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Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix
reginos:
I'm sure marshals were waving whatever flags they had, as the usual end of GP celebration, without too much thought about the consequences. They thought, last round behind the SC, the GP is over.
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May 17, 2010 5:11:27 PM
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Wrong, a green flag means GO NOW not in the future or down the road passing some line. Then they would have waved a GREEN flag AT THE LINE. FIA ruling was biased and harsh.
Alonso was asleep and Hill is a bitter loser.
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May 17, 2010 5:36:38 PM
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Alonso asleep?
Alonso ask his team to do the same thing and overtake Hamilton, the answer was NO
"Veía a Hamilton, que iba muy despacio y tuve la tentación de adelantarle, pero insistieron por radio en que no podía hacerlo. Cuando ví a Michael que me pasaba pensé 'mejor unos puntos que va a perder..."
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Alonso/ha/adelantado/peor/elpepudep/20100516elpepudep_16/Tes
May 17, 2010 6:35:08 PM
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"Veía a Hamilton, que iba muy despacio y tuve la tentación de adelantarle, pero insistieron por radio en que no podía hacerlo. Cuando ví a Michael que me pasaba pensé 'mejor unos puntos que va a perder..."
Translation:
"I was seeing that Hamilton was going very slow and I had the temptation of overtaking him, but they (the team) insited on the radio that I could not do that. When I saw that Michael was overtaking me I thought 'better, he is going to loose a few points...'"
And Hamilton:
"Creía que habíais dicho que no se podía adelantar estando por detrás del coche de seguridad. Michael ha pasado a Fernando", comunicó Hamilton por radio a su equipo.
Hamilton said via radio, "I thought you said that there was no overtaking while being behind the pacecar. Michael has just overtaken Fernando"
So pretty much everybody knew that there was no overtaking, seems MS is desperate given his mediocre performance in his comeback (only 2 points ahead of Adrian Sutil and less than half the points of his teamate after 1/3 of the season has gone by), and it backfired on him. At least he didn't stop the car in the middle of the track in Monaco's clasification to prevent other drivers from grabbing the pole this year. He is back to his old ways....
There was no great move or fighting spirit in MS; everybody was deliberately keeping in line without overtaking as the rulebook says and MS thought he was just smarter than everybody else and could get away with it... not 
He tried to pull a Jean Alesi move
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May 17, 2010 8:00:47 PM
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