CloseMKSGR:
REALZEUS:
Please excuse the outbust, I am not trying to pick a new fight
Very wise of you
The GT Mk2 is just around the corner. If you take a quick look at the test results of the GT3 RS you will get a notion what kind of performance the GT2 Mk2 will deliver
Then again: no chance Ferrari
You see, we are very convinced of our views
The Ferrari "theoretician" returns 
Apr 24, 2010 2:07:11 PM
REALZEUS never understate the underdog because he can bite your head off.
Its amazing how manual cars,with less power and more weight can equal or surpass cars with better specs,and in that Porsche is ASE.
I really don´t like how 458 looks like but in terms of performance i respect it.
Apr 24, 2010 5:36:44 PM
Apr 24, 2010 6:35:06 PM
nberry:
Doesn't this magazine typically have suspect faster times for Italian cars?
Nick, Quattroruote magazine is the one that published a time of 15+ seconds in the 0-200 km/h sprint for the 997TT a few years ago, against the 430 and some other cars.
It might well be biased, but let's wait and see what the other magazines get. I for one hope that the times are legit.
Apr 24, 2010 7:56:29 PM
I thought that was the case.I am not claiming Quattroroute is biased in this case but they do seem to have very advantageous times for Italian cars. I have no dog in this fight because I am still seriously considering the 458. Unfortunately, have not seen one in the flesh.
nberry:
Doesn't this magazine typically have suspect faster times for Italian cars?
QR usually does incredible 0-100km/h times with Ferraris - 3,6 with F430, 3,47 with 599, 3,38 with Scuderia and 3,27 with Italia. F430s time was not repeated, Scuds only once and 599s once in AMS with several other runs at 3,6s.
But acceleration above 100km/h is usually OK. F430 results above 100km/h were slower than in german mags, Scuds were same as in german mags etc...
since when did the 458 start being compard to a hardcore car like the gt2, its real competitor is the turbo, maybe turbo s, witch this car obviusly blew away, like they are standing still, as for the gt2, wait for 458 scuderia, and 991 gt2.
btw here are the ferrari v8 comparisons over the years,
360 modena was compared to 996 turbo, the 430 was compared to the 997 turbo, and 458 should be compared to 991 turbo! witch is 2 years away. btw from the rumors around the 991 cars wont get that much of an engine upgrade, partly because the dfi engine is max rated at 550hp, and then it goes poof!, so i dont see the new 991 turbo going anywere near 9.7 mark for the 200kmh, but thats just wild speculation
Apr 25, 2010 12:13:53 PM
you know very well what i am talking about since i read it here o this forum, someone here quoteted RS tuning as saying that
And for the love of all that yu find holy, I never heard any of you say oh lets wait for someone else to test a porsche because german mags are famos for being biast to them!
arakis:
you know very well what i am talking about since i read it here o this forum, someone here quoteted RS tuning as saying that
We don't have to take everything someone writes on the internet at face value.
You remember when some people were saying that DFI won't make it into the Turbo and only the GT1 engine is strong enough for that model. And also that the PDK wasn't strong for the Turbo torque!
I take these rumours with great reservation.
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
Apr 25, 2010 1:58:35 PM
Apr 25, 2010 2:16:42 PM
artur777:
incredible results really
458 is really a perfect car
I hope 997.2 GT2 will be capable to hold on
in all seriousness......991 GT2 will have to hold (i.e demolish) on....
under the auspices of Piiech no less will do for him....
arakis:
458 should be compared to 991 turbo! witch is 2 years away. btw from the rumors around the 991 cars wont get that much of an engine upgrade, partly because the dfi engine is max rated at 550hp, and then it goes poof!, so i dont see the new 991 turbo going anywere near 9.7 mark for the 200kmh, but thats just wild speculation
I am pretty sure the 991 turbo will be at least as fast as the 458. No doubt. Will be the more modern car then. What we see here is that cars get better from model cycle to model cycle. Right now it is Ferrari's turn - Porsche's turn will be in about 24 months
MKSGR:
arakis:
458 should be compared to 991 turbo! witch is 2 years away. btw from the rumors around the 991 cars wont get that much of an engine upgrade, partly because the dfi engine is max rated at 550hp, and then it goes poof!, so i dont see the new 991 turbo going anywere near 9.7 mark for the 200kmh, but thats just wild speculation
I am pretty sure the 991 turbo will be at least as fast as the 458. No doubt. Will be the more modern car then. What we see here is that cars get better from model cycle to model cycle. Right now it is Ferrari's turn - Porsche's turn will be in about 24 months
A major difference is that Porsche update their cars significantly during each model cycle and especially at the Facelift stage. Therefore, even if not 100% fresh they are never out of date.
Other manufacturers don't do that. They wait for the new model implement significant updates.
For example the 997.2, and 997.2 Turbo (S) are almost new models compared to the cars when launched in 2004 and 2006.
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
reginos:
MKSGR:
arakis:
458 should be compared to 991 turbo! witch is 2 years away. btw from the rumors around the 991 cars wont get that much of an engine upgrade, partly because the dfi engine is max rated at 550hp, and then it goes poof!, so i dont see the new 991 turbo going anywere near 9.7 mark for the 200kmh, but thats just wild speculation
I am pretty sure the 991 turbo will be at least as fast as the 458. No doubt. Will be the more modern car then. What we see here is that cars get better from model cycle to model cycle. Right now it is Ferrari's turn - Porsche's turn will be in about 24 months
A major difference is that Porsche update their cars significantly during each model cycle and especially at the Facelift stage. Therefore, even if not 100% fresh they are never out of date.
Other manufacturers don't do that. They wait for the new model implement significant updates.
For example the 997.2, and 997.2 Turbo (S) are almost new models compared to the cars when launched in 2004 and 2006.
That's a minus not a plus!
koko:
reginos:
MKSGR:
arakis:
458 should be compared to 991 turbo! witch is 2 years away. btw from the rumors around the 991 cars wont get that much of an engine upgrade, partly because the dfi engine is max rated at 550hp, and then it goes poof!, so i dont see the new 991 turbo going anywere near 9.7 mark for the 200kmh, but thats just wild speculation
I am pretty sure the 991 turbo will be at least as fast as the 458. No doubt. Will be the more modern car then. What we see here is that cars get better from model cycle to model cycle. Right now it is Ferrari's turn - Porsche's turn will be in about 24 months
A major difference is that Porsche update their cars significantly during each model cycle and especially at the Facelift stage. Therefore, even if not 100% fresh they are never out of date.
Other manufacturers don't do that. They wait for the new model implement significant updates.
For example the 997.2, and 997.2 Turbo (S) are almost new models compared to the cars when launched in 2004 and 2006.
That's a minus not a plus!
I don't see it that way. I'm for continuous improvement.
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