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    Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

     hope this is not a repost, but sport auto measured the 997 turbo PDK on straight line acceleration as first magazine worldwide:

    0-100kmh  3.1

    0-200kmh 10.8

    0-300kmh 41.8

    No other data were given except the comment that this acceleration was made possible thanks to the help of an optimally tuned launch control. 

    Porsche is back in the game with this one it seems.... Smiley

     


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    turbolite

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    Unbelieveble performance from 997.2 TT PDK. The Carrera GT has 140Hp more , weights less, and has the same performance of 997.2 TT Smiley.  Can´t waite to see full circuit Sport Auto test, but it seems Porsche has nail it again.

    DFI/PDK is proven to be the new Porsche power miracle powder  Smiley

    J.Seven


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    Very impressive numbers indeed, are they with or without launch control?


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    this is propaganda by porsche!!!!


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    993 c2

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    0-300kmh 41.8?!?

    is correct, because the 997TT MK1 is 40,7s

    http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4585844a79f19.html

    sory but it´s impossible,  997TT MK2 has + 20hps and PDK!!!  


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    com on guys...you mean that 0-100 in 3 secs is real??? that means that the bugatti is doing the same time!!!!! with just double of hp!!!!

     

     


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    993 c2

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    Yes, 0-300 time seems to be too slow.


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    turbolite:

     hope this is not a repost, but sport auto measured the 997 turbo PDK on straight line acceleration as first magazine worldwide:

    0-100kmh  3.1

    0-200kmh 10.8

    0-300kmh 41.8

    No other data were given except the comment that this acceleration was made possible thanks to the help of an optimally tuned launch control. 

    Porsche is back in the game with this one it seems.... Smiley

     

    So the new car gained 2 seconds from 0 to 200 then lost 3 seconds from 200 to 300 compared to the old car.
     

    Thats pretty disappointing if true.


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    2007 997 TT Protomotive

    2005 F430

     


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     This is true

    If you look attentively you see that main difference is 7-sp PDK vs 5-sp Tip or 6-sp Manual.

    This does mean that up to 200km/h 997.2 Turbo wil get advantage due to shorter gearing, but after that longer gearing of 997.1 Turbo will gain the advantage..

     

    Just imagine - you are accelerating on 997.2 Turbo on 6th gear VS 997.1 Turbo on 4th or 5th gear after 240-250 km/h. 997.1 Turbo will be clearly faster at these speeds...


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    997.1 Turbo manual:

    1. 3.82

    2. 2.14

    3. 1.48

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.97

    6. 0.79

    Final ration 3.33

    Max revs 6800

     

    997.2 Turbo manual

    1.3.82

    2. 2.14

    3. 1.48

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.97

    6. 0.79

    Final ration 3.44

    Max revs 7200

     

    997.2 Turbo PDK

    1. 3.91

    2. 2.29

    3. 1.58

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.94

    6. 0.79

    7. 0.62

    Final ratio 3.44

    Max revs 7200

     

    Difference between very small differenc in final ratio is compensated with 400rpm of more revs by new Turbo. Some members here should do their math better before posting theory about huge difference in gearing. Actual difference in marginal.

    How about this-when 997.1 Turbo achieved 40.7s at Papaneburg two years ago ambient temperature was around 10Deg Celsius. When 997.2 Turbo PDK achieved 41.9s month ago it was over 22Deg Celsius.


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    KresoF1:

     

    How about this-when 997.1 Turbo achieved 40.7s at Papaneburg two years ago ambient temperature was around 10Deg Celsius. When 997.2 Turbo PDK achieved 41.9s month ago it was over 22Deg Celsius.


    Great detective work Smiley and most plausible explanation so far.
    How about the weight difference between 997.1 manual and 997.2 PDK? Which car is heavier? PDK is heavier but 997.2 engine weighs less right?

    Outside of top speed, I would  repeat my assertion Smiley that PDK will make 997.2 Turbo something you don't want to mess with. In the first gew gears at least, this thing will be very fast. Bat-out-of-health scary fast! 
    PDK provides huge advantage in maintaining boost between shifts and therefore uninterrupted power flow. PDK and a Turbo engine is a match made in heaven; too bad there seems to be lingering issue with driver's involvement for manual die-hard like me.

    Off topic but the other thing about 997.2 Turbo that is extremely intriguing to me is that torque vectoring option. Possible revolutionary change and it would not surprise me to see this as an option in all other 911's. Including the GT class. If it helps to control the "happy tail," I can't see why not.


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    Regards,
    Can
    997 Turbo + Bilstein Damptronic ( Review ) + GIAC ECU Tune ( Fast as a torpedo & reversible to stock - Review ) + Cargraphic Exhaust ( Oh heavenly noise! )


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    Can,

    997.1 Manual test car weight 1580kg(PCCBs, LSD)

    997.2 PDK test car weight 1606kg(PCCBs, PVT+LSD, Spyder wheels-which btw are not lighter then standard wheels)


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    cannga:

    Off topic but the other thing about 997.2 Turbo that is extremely intriguing to me is that torque vectoring option. Possible revolutionary change and it would not surprise me to see this as an option in all other 911's. Including the GT class. If it helps to control the "happy tail," I can't see why not.

     

    One reason why not might be the fact that several 911 models, including the GT models, are rear-wheel drive, not 4WD?. Smiley

    The expression "torque vectoring" surely refers to splitting torque between the four driven wheels of 4WD cars?  Smiley

     


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    fritz


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    fritz:
    cannga:

    Off topic but the other thing about 997.2 Turbo that is extremely intriguing to me is that torque vectoring option. Possible revolutionary change and it would not surprise me to see this as an option in all other 911's. Including the GT class. If it helps to control the "happy tail," I can't see why not.

     

    One reason why not might be the fact that several 911 models, including the GT models, are rear-wheel drive, not 4WD?. Smiley

    The expression "torque vectoring" surely refers to splitting torque between the four driven wheels of 4WD cars?  Smiley

     


     

    Good point and exactly what I was thinking since it seems so far all the cars with this system are AWD (Nissan, Mitsu, BMW X6, 997 TT). I did look up before posting because I know someone like you Smiley would notice this. Anyway it *appears* the system is possible with 2WD cars:

    >>>>>>>>>
    http://www.origin.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4225886.html
    German transmission and driveline company ZF has also developed a torque-vectoring system, called Vector Drive—and it’s ready for volume production in all-wheel and rear-wheel drive vehicles.
    >>>>>>>>>

    The attention seems to be on the engine & PDK, but to me, this is the feature that is most notable about 997.2 Turbo. 997.1 engine could be tuned to be more powerful & responsive than 997.2 engine, PDK has "driver's involvement" issue, but this torque vectoring is the option with the greatest potential to make my 997.1 TT feel obsolete.
    I don't doubt that it will make the car faster in corners, the only remaining questions would be how it actually feels and the weight penalty (for GT class application).

    Regards,
    Can
    997 Turbo + Bilstein Damptronic ( Review ) + GIAC ECU Tune ( Fast as a torpedo & reversible to stock - Review ) + Cargraphic Exhaust ( Oh heavenly noise! )


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    KresoF1:

    997.1 Turbo manual:

    1. 3.82

    2. 2.14

    3. 1.48

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.97

    6. 0.79

    Final ration 3.33

    Max revs 6800

     

    997.2 Turbo manual

    1.3.82

    2. 2.14

    3. 1.48

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.97

    6. 0.79

    Final ration 3.44

    Max revs 7200

     

    997.2 Turbo PDK

    1. 3.91

    2. 2.29

    3. 1.58

    4. 1.18

    5. 0.94

    6. 0.79

    7. 0.62

    Final ratio 3.44

    Max revs 7200

     

    Difference between very small differenc in final ratio is compensated with 400rpm of more revs by new Turbo. Some members here should do their math better before posting theory about huge difference in gearing. Actual difference in marginal.

    How about this-when 997.1 Turbo achieved 40.7s at Papaneburg two years ago ambient temperature was around 10Deg Celsius. When 997.2 Turbo PDK achieved 41.9s month ago it was over 22Deg Celsius.

    exactly what i was telling!!!
     


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    Another point is that 7th gear is just for fuel economy, not for acceleration!

     

    997.2 TT reaches top speed in 6th gear, this means the gear ratios are not much different as KresoF1 posted.


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    That explains the difference then, the new car started well but got heat soaked on the way to 300.

    Thanks for the info.


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    2005 F430

     


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    so you think that new Turbo is haveing overheating problems as some people on the forum stated here?

    who knows anything on 997.2 turbo overheating issues?


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    Well of course I'm biased but I don't think the fact the new car is slower to 300 is of any relevance at all and may well be affected by tyres and temperatures. For me the most relevant performance measurement is 0-100 mph, 7 seconds.


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    Guys, it is true, not Porsche "propaganda". The 997 Turbo Facelift does indeed 0-200 kph in around 11 seconds or slightly under.

    From 0-100 kph, the Turbo Facelift is almost unbeatable.

    Porsche has perfected the collaboration of PDK, 4WD, traction management, etc., this car is REALLY that fast.

    On the other hand, it looses the advantage in the higher speed range over 240 kph.

    We tested it compared to a 997 Turbo pre-facelift RUF 550 Tiptronic.

    From 0-100 kph, the FL Turbo beats the RUF 550 Tiptronic. The acceleration with launch control is amazing, you hardly can do this with the RUF 550 Tip, the FL Turbo is a car length ahead when both cars hit 100 kph. Due to the more spontaneous reaction of the launch control.

    From 0-200 kph, the FL Turbo is slightly faster, around half a car length (we did test if from 100 to 200 kph because it was easier).

    At speeds over 240 kph, the RUF 550 Tip gains a lot and at 300 kph, the RUF 550 Tip is around 60-70 meters (not measured, just a guess) ahead of the FL Turbo.

    All speed measurements have been done using the Performance Box with GPS.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    MarkN:

    Well of course I'm biased but I don't think the fact the new car is slower to 300 is of any relevance at all and may well be affected by tyres and temperatures. For me the most relevant performance measurement is 0-100 mph, 7 seconds.


    Easier to measure is actually 100-200 kph. This is my favorite performance "indicator".


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    True, so what's that, about 8 seconds?


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     why Turbo Facelift does stop after 220km/h?

    cats?

    gearing?

    weight?

    ecu?

    overheating?

    really interested


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    What makes you think that? Top speed is around 193 mph, a little over 300 kph.


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    That would most likely be some kind of overheating which reduces optimum ignition angle. Its interesting that the 997.2tt is using now the expansion intake manifold from the GT2- only it is in plastic, not aluminium like in the gt2. That intake manifold is designed for exactly that purpose, to reduce intake temp in high rpm, with a compromise in the mid-range (hence the higher boost in the GT2). Now we can see that this was the direction that P took with this new engine since it is consistent with a higher redline and rev limiter. However this should IMPROVE the 200-300 time, not the other way around! The new vtgs I ve heard have some improvements as they now don't have the dump valves incorporated in the turbo while also P moved away from using MAF to monitor/control boost and is using mostly MAP sensors like (again) the GT2. So ceteris paribus this is also a small step fwd in the turbocharging. So I think it most likely is over heating issue - as per the rumours a few of us have heard last couple of months. I really hope that this new engine is either really good or not at all.. In the first case it will be a good base for next models and a lot of us with some doubts will be keen to upgrade eventually... or they'll drop in the future and move back to something more proven for future models. (that's my wishful thinking at least..!)

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    MarkN:

    True, so what's that, about 8 seconds?

     

    We measured 7.5 seconds precisely, both times, PDK set on auto and with sport chrono active.

    As to why the 997 Turbo FL is slower over 240 kph ? Well, I actually didn't pay attention but maybe the boost pressure is reduced in the higher speed range to protect the engine or for whatever reason ?! I don't have a clue...yet. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


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    is it possible to overcome this overheating problems?

    to change intake? to input stronger ICs? 


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    997.2tt already has the bigger expansion intake. As for ICs, they always make a difference since stock units are usually not too far from the limit for stock power. But I suspect it might be more complicated than that. Or maybe that one car in the test for whatever reason was slower after 240kms (fuel, ext temp, god knows what else). So let's wait for some more tests. 100-200 7.5sec is pretty good for stock 500hp!

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     If you look at the competitors you will see that a car that is capable of 0-200 in 11 secs should be capable of doing 0-300 in 34-35 secs and not for 41 secs...

    lets wait for another test or two


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    artur777:

     If you look at the competitors you will see that a car that is capable of 0-200 in 11 secs should be capable of doing 0-300 in 34-35 secs and not for 41 secs...


    Much depends on what the car's ultimate top speed is. The 997.2 turbo is relatively "slow" at 312 kph, so by 300 it's beginning to run out of steam.

    Aerodynamics make a big difference at these speeds but I would much rather have a car which remains firmly planted than a more slippery one. The feeling of the steering going light at 150 mph+ on my 355 is not the greatest in the world.


     
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