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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Dave63:
I definitrely like the shorter overhangs front and rear. You can definitely see the longer wheelbase (longer space between door and rear wheel opening)..
Indeed, all complaints about a longer wheelbase are unnecessary IMHO. Apart from the handling benefits it makes the car´s stance more prominent, the 911´s short wheelbase and long overhangs had to be visually toned down on the previous versions.
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Never seen a canvas top, w/ the inevitable mechanism below, look that clean. IMHO the pictures above are fabric stretched over metal. The rumored stretched wheelbase could more easily accomodate a folding metal top.
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Ferdie:
Dave63:
I definitrely like the shorter overhangs front and rear. You can definitely see the longer wheelbase (longer space between door and rear wheel opening)..
Indeed, all complaints about a longer wheelbase are unnecessary IMHO. Apart from the handling benefits it makes the car´s stance more prominent, the 911´s short wheelbase and long overhangs had to be visually toned down on the previous versions.
But it will lose its go-kart dynamics. It will cease to be a 911.
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
ADias:
But it will lose its go-kart dynamics. It will cease to be a 911.
Please define go-kart dynamics. The characteristics on the 911´s layout are, apart from the uniqueness, the superior traction, the uncommon aural impression with the engine working in the back of the car and the "playful" behaviour under dynamic wheel load changes. None of this will be gone once you lenghten the wheelbase by a certain amount but the car will get more stable at high speeds.
The limiting factor for me on the 997 is its turn-in response which isn´t restricted by the wheelbase or steering ratio but by the low weight over the front axle. On that account, isn´t it interesting that Porsche increased the front tires´ size on the GT3 RS for better turn-in? After all, these elements are just one part of the puzzle to a complete car, not the one decisive element.
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
The wheelbase on the new 991 will increase by 4 inches. It's interesting to note that the current wheelbase of the 997 is 92.5 inches whereas the Boxster /Cayman line has a wheelbase of 95.1 inches, nearly 2 1/2 inches longer than the Carrera.. The longer wheelbase in the Boxster/Cayman in NO WAY gives up handling prowess !
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Hmm, it also looks like they ditched the classic headlights again... almost seems like CGT style headlights? (If you look closely, they arent oval or round anymore. Also, where the washers are, seems to be pointy-shaped...)
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I read somewhere that when the new VW management saw the proposed design, they rejected it as unexciting and requested more changes, despite Porsche engineers' complaints about added costs. Regarding added costs, Piech reportedly said it's our money, not yours, we are spending...
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Misha, I did a little bit of red-lining too, to illustrate my point.
Seems like there is an awfull lot of camo around the front area still. (Thus the rivets and the camo lines). However, if you try to see through it, you see some contours that worry me a bit, I outlined them dashed. Hope I'm wrong though! ;-)
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Joost i see your concern, but the fact that the wiper things are where they are tells me the lights will be mostly like we see. I think there will be some kink in the inner lower part a la boxster. The left light in current disguise is very Alfa....
+1 i do think it has 959 elements currently. Im hoping for a bumper like the boxster spyder, nice and aggressive!
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
i remain very hopeful that we will see a 4.0L in the 991. They are running them already in the 997.....
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indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Ron (Houston):
Atzporsche:
i remain very hopeful that we will see a 4.0L in the 991. They are running them already in the 997.....
They just came up with 9A1 engine for 997.2. This engine has a lot of potential and I don't believe we see a 4.0 anytime soon.
So the 9A1 engine is a 3.8L and can't be upped to 3.9L or 4.0L?
In that case:
Carrera 3.8 9A1
Carrera S 4.0 GT block 
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Atzporsche:
Ron (Houston):
Atzporsche:
i remain very hopeful that we will see a 4.0L in the 991. They are running them already in the 997.....
They just came up with 9A1 engine for 997.2. This engine has a lot of potential and I don't believe we see a 4.0 anytime soon.
So the 9A1 engine is a 3.8L and can't be upped to 3.9L or 4.0L?
In that case:
Carrera 3.8 9A1
Carrera S 4.0 GT block
I like the idea of a 4.0L GT1 block too, but I'm sure the 9A1 was designed with a fair bit of headroom to expand beyond 4.0L. I also remember hearing that it's a modular design and could be built as a Flat-4 or Flat-8 as well...
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Ron (Houston):
Grant:I also remember hearing that it's a modular design and could be built as a Flat-4 or Flat-8 as well...
Wow, I had no idea Grant. That's very interesting, any text on the 9A1 engine ?
I read something about the modular design over a year ago and don't remember where I saw that (and I can't vouch 100% for its accuracy either, but it makes sense).
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
9A1 engine 3400 boxster-cayman: bore 97mm_stroke 77.5mm
9A1 engine 3600 carrera: bore 97mm_ stroke 81.5mm
9A1 engine 3800 carrera-turbo: bore 102mm stroke77.5mm
Combining 102mm bore with 81.5 stroke the result is 3995cc...so in my opinion the 4.0L it's ready...
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
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9A1 engine 3400 boxster-cayman: bore 97mm_stroke 77.5mm
9A1 engine 3600 carrera: bore 97mm_ stroke 81.5mm
9A1 engine 3800 carrera-turbo: bore 102mm stroke77.5mm
Combining 102mm bore with 81.5 stroke the result is 3995cc...so in my opinion the 4.0L it's ready...
That is good information - I think you are correct. I also think it may be possible to make the bore and/or stroke even larger in the future with this block.
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Grant:
gian61:
9A1 engine 3400 boxster-cayman: bore 97mm_stroke 77.5mm
9A1 engine 3600 carrera: bore 97mm_ stroke 81.5mm
9A1 engine 3800 carrera-turbo: bore 102mm stroke77.5mm
Combining 102mm bore with 81.5 stroke the result is 3995cc...so in my opinion the 4.0L it's ready...
That is good information - I think you are correct. I also think it may be possible to make the bore and/or stroke even larger in the future with this block.
Also looking forward to a 4.0-litre version of that awesome GT1-derived engine appearing in the 2012 Porsche 911 GT3...
Porsche 911 GT3 R
Stuttgart. Following the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, is entering yet another racing car in the 2010 motorsport season: The 911 GT3 R will be raced in series based on the international FIA GT3 regulations, thus succeeding the 911 GT3 Cup S. The main focus in developing this new model was on even better drivability and even easier handling.
The 911 GT3 R is powered by a four-litre six-cylinder boxer engine delivering maximum output of 480 bhp (353 kW) transmitted to the rear axle by a sequential six-speed dog gearbox.
The starting point in developing the 911 GT3 R weighing just 1,200 kg or 2,646 lb was the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup presented in September for one-make cup racing. Thanks to its increase in engine size by 0.2 litres, the GT3 R offers 30 bhp more than the Cup model. Both cars are based on the extra-wide body of the 911 GT3 RS street-legal sports car.
An anti-lock brake system (ABS), traction control and an e-gas with "throttle-blip" function make it much easier to get used to this new GT3 racing car than its predecessor, meaning that the new model is also more appropriate for the ambitious amateur racing driver.
Flared wheel arches added on to the body both front and rear bear clear testimony to the wider track than on the former model. And like all second-generation versions of the 911, the new 911 GT3 R also comes with striking LED rear light clusters.
The Porsche 911 GT3 R is making its world debut on 14 January 2010 at the Birmingham Motor Show. The car is built by Porsche's Motorsport Department at the Weissach Development Centre and will be delivered to Customer Teams the world over as of spring 2010. The base price of the Porsche 911 GT3 R is 279,000 euros plus local sales tax/VAT.
Engine:
Configuration: Boxer Flat 6
Location: Rear, longitudinally mounted
Construction: aluminium block and head
Displacement: 3.996 litre / 243.9 cu in
Bore / Stroke: 102.7 mm (4 in) / 80.4 mm (3.2 in)
Valvetrain: 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed: Fuel Injection
Aspiration: Naturally Aspirated
Drivetrain:
Gearbox: 6 speed Sequential
Drive: Rear wheel drive
Dimensions:
Weight: 1200 kilo / 2645.5 lb
Performance:
Power: 480 bhp / 358 KW
BHP/Liter: 120 bhp / litre
Power to weight: 0.4 bhp / kg
...that will be awesome!!! 
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
yeah that was where i read that they are already running a 4.0L in the 997!!!
I think we will see it and it will be awesome!!
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2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
DaveC:
Never seen a canvas top, w/ the inevitable mechanism below, look that clean. IMHO the pictures above are fabric stretched over metal. The rumored stretched wheelbase could more easily accomodate a folding metal top.
I wouldnt be surprised to see a folding hardtop, also if you look at the lines you can see the area where the top goes down is bigger and wider.
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