Nov 7, 2009 2:32:05 AM
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Lars997:
Reminds me to the Golf GTIs of the late 80is.. horrible plastic applications in the bumpers!
...Why stop at late 80's? Seems to me that the artist borrowed styling from the newly revised Golf/GTI/Jetta. It's not a bad look for a VW, but for a Porsche??
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
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Lars997:
Reminds me to the Golf GTIs of the late 80is.. horrible plastic applications in the bumpers!
...Why stop at late 80's? Seems to me that the artist borrowed styling from the newly revised Golf/GTI/Jetta. It's not a bad look for a VW, but for a Porsche??
I fully agree ! This front looks cheap and does not suit this car at all !!!
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
A couple questions...
First, I'm curious when the 991 moved to a MY2013 from a 2012? Multiple informed sources on this great forum have said we would not see it before 2010 or 2011 so I always assumed at the latest the 991 would come out 2011 as a MY2012?
But apparently it's obviously moved... And wouldn't this mark one of the longest runs for a 911 in the last 20 years or so with an 8 year run 2005 to 2012...?
Also, what happened to the theories of a second spoiler/air lift that was circulating which is seemingly missing in some of these pics...
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And I hope that's not what the new front end will look like... it's incredibly boring and quite frankly cheap looking to me. There's nothing different with the front headlights design internally or externally and the bumper part could not look more banal. Just my opinion.
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
mateoche:
A couple questions...
First, I'm curious when the 991 moved to a MY2013 from a 2012? Multiple informed sources on this great forum have said we would not see it before 2010 or 2011 so I always assumed at the latest the 991 would come out 2011 as a MY2012?
But apparently it's obviously moved... And wouldn't this mark one of the longest runs for a 911 in the last 20 years or so with an 8 year run 2005 to 2012...?
Latest information still indicates a launch in calendar year 2011 (IAA in fall). I think that some sources just stated a wrong date 
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
MKSGR:
mateoche:
A couple questions...
First, I'm curious when the 991 moved to a MY2013 from a 2012? Multiple informed sources on this great forum have said we would not see it before 2010 or 2011 so I always assumed at the latest the 991 would come out 2011 as a MY2012?
But apparently it's obviously moved... And wouldn't this mark one of the longest runs for a 911 in the last 20 years or so with an 8 year run 2005 to 2012...?
Latest information still indicates a launch in calendar year 2011 (IAA in fall). I think that some sources just stated a wrong date
thanks for the info MKSGR and Lars997... that's what i'm hoping for and not summer of 2012 or almost 3 years away!!! that's too long!
this is what i read (And the more or less same info in other places too)
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109102822711/porsche-product-plan-to-2013-revealed
"The summer of 2012 welcomes an all-new 911 which will share very little with the current car. Longer and wider, the sports coupe will also be more powerful and more fuel-efficient than ever."
Thanks again.
M
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
not sure if people will like their 911 to be longer...as they can get a panamera instead.
glad I got an incoming RS and I'm keeping my club coupe, as I don't like this new look at all.
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
How do you know it won't have a longer body as well as a longer wheel base? It would be quite a challenge to move the wheels rearward without increasing rear overhang (unless they dramatically shrink the engine or make it mid-engined).
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Grant:
How do you know it won't have a longer body as well as a longer wheel base? It would be quite a challenge to move the wheels rearward without increasing rear overhang (unless they dramatically shrink the engine or make it mid-engined).
In which case the wheelbase would have to increase by a lot more than four inches or the car would be a 2-seater, and then they could just as well rename it "Cayman". 
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Exterior will remain same length. With wheelbase moved 4 inches aft, the new 911 will have more of a mid-engined weight bias.
Thanks to Renntam for the info and scans.
Potential Facts & Figures
- debut at IAA 2011
- shorter overhangs (especially at the front)
- much more accentuated C-pillar
- wider rear
- wheelbase + 10 cm
- center of gravity moves more to the middle of the car
- roomier cabin, especially in the rear
- new suspension + aluminium chassis
- better stability at high speed / improved aerodynamics
- rear spoiler á lá Panamera
- generally more quality materials in the interior
- less, but larger switches / central switch concept á lá BMW/AUDI
- new steering wheel/paddle design
- torque vectoring
- 7 speed manual gearbox
- electronic servo steering
- keyless go
- automatic start/stop engine system, brake energy generator
- electronic parking brake
- weight: minus 40 kg compared to 997
- 19" wheels (Carrera), 20" wheels (Carrera S)
- Carrera engine: 3.4 L / 350 hp / 350 nm
- Carrera S engine: 3.8 L / 400 hp / 440 nm
- Engine sound: less noisy under partial load, more “sonorous” under full load
- Fuel consumption: minus 10% compared to 997
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Porsche is able to incrementally update every launch of a new model because the idiot buyers and marketers (look at Excellence magazine) go "bananas" over each new release. Look at 997.2 turbo models with the inferior engine - everyone went nuts. Dynamic engine mounts? Torque vectoring? These issues should be addressed more directly by moving the engine forward - what about a flat eight? Porsche has made such cars in its past. Then we wouldn't have to see a 5-10% increase in bhp with every new model. Their base 911 turbos should be in the 550-600 bhp range by now.
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Well, the 997.2 Turbo may have the "inferior" engine but the acceleration is impressive. Porsche used a lot of electronics gizmos to make it possible, not everybody likes it this way but it seems to work. I'm not too fond of the new Turbo either but if it proves to be a reliable engine, why not ?!
I'm however much more impressed with the new 997 GT3 RS, this would be my dreamcar if I had the money right now. I can't help it but a non-Turbo 911 with so much power and not so much weight just fascinates me. Incredible deal in my opinion but out of my league right now. Well...I guess my kids are more important than a damn car...still...I dream of it. 
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
RC-
How come my Ruf RTurbo dyno's at 611 bhp at the crank and it was made in 2002? I have driven this car close to 200mph at Daytona with incredible stability (used to race pro), never any issues with the car. Why can't Porsche do the same, unless their strategy is to dole out the bhp in increments for every new model?
I dream of cars (and women) as well, but other things in my life are more important to me now (wife, son, work).
Cheers- Gerry
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
RSA333:
RC-
How come my Ruf RTurbo dyno's at 611 bhp at the crank and it was made in 2002? I have driven this car close to 200mph at Daytona with incredible stability (used to race pro), never any issues with the car. Why can't Porsche do the same, unless their strategy is to dole out the bhp in increments for every new model?
I dream of cars (and women) as well, but other things in my life are more important to me now (wife, son, work).
Cheers- Gerry
Nothing against RUF, they do a marvelous job. However: I know that US bound cars have slightly more power, simply because they're not supposed to be driven under the same conditions as over here in Europe.
Example: did you drive in Daytona 200 mph for consecutive 5 minutes? We did 210 mph in our Turbos on the german A10 for around consecutive 36 km without slowing down! Almost 7(!) minutes.
It was summertime, temperature was around 32°C, asphalt temperature around 45°C. 550 HP and 560 HP were sufficient. Engine and oil temperature were in the "green" zone, no problem at all. Well...there was ONE problem: my fuel gauge went from half empty to completely empty. Ouch.
Look at the Nissan GT-R: one single high speed test in Nardo and the engine broke down. 
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Dave63:...
- wheelbase + 10 cm
- roomier cabin, especially in the rear
- electronic servo steering
- automatic start/stop engine system, brake energy generator
- electronic parking brake
That kills the 911 as we know (and like) it. 
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
ADias:
Dave63:...
- wheelbase + 10 cm
- roomier cabin, especially in the rear
- electronic servo steering
- automatic start/stop engine system, brake energy generator
- electronic parking brake
That kills the 911 as we know (and like) it.
Hard to say. The Racecars use electric power steering, so it could be an improvement (though I'm not confident it will be). Don't really like the extended wheelbase. I think the 996/997 is already way too big compared to 1965-1998 911's.
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
Is this a re-post?
http://www.carzi.com/2009/04/22/porsche-911-turbo-998-cabriolet-crashed/
RIP.
"The company did confirm that the vehicle was a next-generation 911 Cabriolet, known as the 991."
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Dec 4, 2009 5:23:36 AM
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Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
I definitrely like the shorter overhangs front and rear. You can definitely see the longer wheelbase (longer space between door and rear wheel opening).. BTW this is NOT a Turbo ! Notice the fake decal louvers. This was most likely done to throw off the fact that the new 991 will have the equivalent rear girth as the current Turbo.
Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots
(song: "I gotta feeling" Black Eyed Peas)... THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD LOOKING CAR!!!!!!!!
911 FOREVER!!!!
Please Porsche, do a good job on this!!!!... as you do with all posrches!!!!
I`m loving the new F458 but this (911) will always be THE CAR.... for me....
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