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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    can, I agree with you entirely that all what we can currently see is the max. power information Porsche submitted for the Turbo S and yes that's only a single point.
    Unfortunately I haven't see any graph of tourque or hp as a comparison between Turbo and Turbo S.

    For me and my long lasting experience (over 30 years) with P-cars, a power increase of 30 hp means not so much. But yes, no facts - only feeling....Smiley


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

     

    ANY ONE knows  if the 991 or 998 whatever,    will come in the end of THIS YEAR ,2010,       to be MODEL 2011???

     

    or no.... it will be presented in the END of 2011 to be   MODEL 2012?????

     

     

     


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    I'd say we either see the new 991 next year in Frankfurt or - if Porsche wants to speed things up - at a major car show like Geneva in spring.


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    Given the current financial situation at Porsche, I have a niggling suspicion that there is a reasonable amount of pressure to "speed things up".


    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    Conny997:

    can, I agree with you entirely that all what we can currently see is the max. power information Porsche submitted for the Turbo S and yes that's only a single point.
    Unfortunately I haven't see any graph of tourque or hp as a comparison between Turbo and Turbo S.

    For me and my long lasting experience (over 30 years) with P-cars, a power increase of 30 hp means not so much. But yes, no facts - only feeling....Smiley

    Sure, I have had similar experience to yours. My Cargraphic exhaust system is advertised to gain 25 hp over stock. When I first had it, I thought either my butt dyno needs re-calibration, or 25 hp doesn't mean anything, or someone claims 25 when he should not have.

    OTOH, a stage 2 ECU tune gains around 10%, or 40-50 hp (my car's gain is consistent with this). This 40 however is an entirely different animal -- there is near elimination of lag and the spool up time vastly reduced. The car forward thrust becomes nearly out of control in certain situation, like curves. Smiley But... my experience is more than just feeling, the clutch starts slipping, indicating a very "bad boy" is lurking beneath this 40 hp. 

    So there is 30 hp, and there is 30 hp; depends on the situation and who is claiming what. Specifically when it comes to ECU-tune or Turbo boost manipulation, I think 30 tends to be very real. Hopefully the TT S will be another home-run for Porsche.

    BTW, 991's chassis change and engine being moved forwards, if true, are very exciting news to me. If I already have 997.1 Turbo, there is no way I would upgrade to 997.2.
    991 would be the one!


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

     May be it's a stupid question,but out of curisity,what speed do you reach a 997tt in 7th gear?

    TKS


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    gian61:

     May be it's a stupid question,but out of curisity,what speed do you reach a 997tt in 7th gear?

    TKS

    Good question. Panamera Turbo can do 303 kph in 6th gear and "only" 275 kph in 7th. I think the TT's top in 7th is around 285 kph.


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    cannga:

    So there is 30 hp, and there is 30 hp; depends on the situation and who is claiming what. Specifically when it comes to ECU-tune or Turbo boost manipulation, I think 30 tends to be very real. Hopefully the TT S will be another home-run for Porsche.

    Y're right and so I stay very curious how the Turbo S will doing and what kind of acceleration we will see between 100 kp/h and 200 kp/h as that is the most usable range for me.Smiley
     


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    Conny997:

    Y're right and so I stay very curious how the Turbo S will doing and what kind of acceleration we will see between 100 kp/h and 200 kp/h as that is the most usable range for me.Smiley
     

    Having recently driven the PDK Turbo, I cannot even begin to understand what the PDK Turbo S will do. Smiley For a factory non-modded car, It WILL be out to kill and will be king of the road  -- there is no question about that in my mind. I felt queasy (no kidding) during one of my PDK Turbo acceleration runs; this is extremely unusual for me because usually I think it's passenger who feels queasy, not the driver. Think I wll take anti-nausea medication if ever a test drive in the S monster comes up. LOL.

    That's the problem with Turbo power, one gets addicted to the nuclear power thrust and a switch to Porsche NA flat 6 brings disappointment. When I switch back and forth between the GT3 and the Turbo, the NA car feels like someone has pulled 2 of the 6 plugs. Once you taste the power, nothing will ever feel the same. In my case, it's a "life sentence." Smiley


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     I dont believe there will be a big difference between Turbo and Turbo S - just noticeable one

    IMHO, I dont believe Porsche will issue the car with so low lomit of power

    I really hope that 997.2 TT PDK will hold 600 hp - 


    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    Looks like 575PS and 830NM has been "signed off" I presume this is RS Tuning but not sure since it obviously goes against what they told me Smiley

     

    http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/s,6,7,18,5213,5546,5547/

     

     


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

     Oh yes!

    Finally RS TUning found their way to upgrade 997.2 TT 


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    TB993tt:

    Looks like 575PS and 830NM has been "signed off" I presume this is RS Tuning but not sure since it obviously goes against what they told me Smiley

     

    http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/s,6,7,18,5213,5546,5547/

     

     

     

    Having university degree for mechanical engineering it seems to me as a complete non-sense that a conrod would broke after just 10% power/torque hike. Especially in case of make like Porsche. It may have happened in case of one bad unit though, of course. But it is definitely not normal.


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    mv:
    TB993tt:

    Looks like 575PS and 830NM has been "signed off" I presume this is RS Tuning but not sure since it obviously goes against what they told me Smiley

     

    http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/s,6,7,18,5213,5546,5547/

     

     

     

    Having university degree for mechanical engineering it seems to me as a complete non-sense that a conrod would broke after just 10% power/torque hike. Especially in case of make like Porsche. It may have happened in case of one bad unit though, of course. But it is definitely not normal.


    So your university degree in mechanical engineering enables you to know what is "normal" for a ground up brand new Porsche turbo engine ? Did you also know what was "normal" when the Mezger N/A 993 engine was superceded by the all new 996 N/A engine Smiley 

    Wonder why they are not putting the new 997tt.2 engine in the GT2RS ?

     


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    TB993tt:
    mv:
    TB993tt:

    Looks like 575PS and 830NM has been "signed off" I presume this is RS Tuning but not sure since it obviously goes against what they told me Smiley

     

    http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/s,6,7,18,5213,5546,5547/

     

     

     

    Having university degree for mechanical engineering it seems to me as a complete non-sense that a conrod would broke after just 10% power/torque hike. Especially in case of make like Porsche. It may have happened in case of one bad unit though, of course. But it is definitely not normal.


    So your university degree in mechanical engineering enables you to know what is "normal" for a ground up brand new Porsche turbo engine ? Did you also know what was "normal" when the Mezger N/A 993 engine was superceded by the all new 996 N/A engine Smiley 

    Wonder why they are not putting the new 997tt.2 engine in the GT2RS ?

     

     A 10% torque increase translates directly to a 10% greater maximum load on the conrod, and mv is surely quite right to say that Porsche would not not routinely spec its conrods with a safety factor of only 10%.

    Increasing the torque by just 10% could however lead to the working life of some components being reduced by considerably more than 10%, but tuners do not dyno test for durability. They are just looking for performance, so the alleged breakage would have happened early in the engine'slife.

    Any conrod which broke under the conditions described did not do so purely due the 10% torque increase. 


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    TB993tt:
    mv:
    TB993tt:

    Looks like 575PS and 830NM has been "signed off" I presume this is RS Tuning but not sure since it obviously goes against what they told me Smiley

     

    http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/s,6,7,18,5213,5546,5547/

     

     

     

    Having university degree for mechanical engineering it seems to me as a complete non-sense that a conrod would broke after just 10% power/torque hike. Especially in case of make like Porsche. It may have happened in case of one bad unit though, of course. But it is definitely not normal.


    So your university degree in mechanical engineering enables you to know what is "normal" for a ground up brand new Porsche turbo engine ?

     

     

    Yes, I know how engines, transmissions etc. are designed. Smiley


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    artur777:

     Oh yes!

    Finally RS TUning found their way to upgrade 997.2 TT 


    Looking at Cargraphic website with the new 997tt.2 powerkit, there is no mention of RS Tuning and there is a picture of a turbo on a chassis dyno - RS Tuning would never use a chassis dyno !

    I had to speak with RS today about another matter to do with my car......

    I can categorically confirm that the Cargraphic powerkits for the 997tt.2 are NOT from RS Tuning.

    RS Tuning (as I have previously stated ) will not be offering upgrades for the 997tt.2 at this time since their testing has revealed the limits at 550PS of THEIR LOADINGS - these will doubtlessly not be the same loadings as a 4th gear chassis dyno run which is measuring your 575PS in the Cargraphic kits.

    RS Tuning are working on tuning but in will involve new pistons, conrods, head gaskets........


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     very interesting observation:-))))Smiley


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    TB993tt:

    Looking at Cargraphic website with the new 997tt.2 powerkit, there is no mention of RS Tuning and there is a picture of a turbo on a chassis dyno - RS Tuning would never use a chassis dyno !

    I had to speak with RS today about another matter to do with my car......

    I can categorically confirm that the Cargraphic powerkits for the 997tt.2 are NOT from RS Tuning.

    RS Tuning (as I have previously stated ) will not be offering upgrades for the 997tt.2 at this time since their testing has revealed the limits at 550PS of THEIR LOADINGS - these will doubtlessly not be the same loadings as a 4th gear chassis dyno run which is measuring your 575PS in the Cargraphic kits.

    RS Tuning are working on tuning but in will involve new pistons, conrods, head gaskets........

     This is a most interesting info. Many thanks for posting Smiley


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    PLEASE CAN SOMEONE GOOD IN THE PS, do a WHITE ONE with  the NEW GT3 WHEELS?????

     

    997TT WHITE with the   NEW GT3 WHeeLS????

     

    THANK YOU!!!!

     

    probably my order!


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    ^^^ Agreed that it's a good idea; I think the new GT3 wheels are the most beautiful Porsche wheels currently, but... do you know if they will fit on a Turbo?

    Also, have you considered BBS Fi? Best 997 wheel on the market currently IMHO. http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread/20151704/Best_wheel_for_Porsche_Turbo_or_any_Porsche_911_BBS_Fi/page1.html


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    acrobat:
    gian61:

     May be it's a stupid question,but out of curisity,what speed do you reach a 997tt in 7th gear?

    TKS

    Good question. Panamera Turbo can do 303 kph in 6th gear and "only" 275 kph in 7th. I think the TT's top in 7th is around 285 kph.

     

    From Italian magazine AUTO:

    max speed in 7th gear: 308.4 Km/h at 5450 rpm 

    311.3 in 6th at 7000 rpm

     


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    Re: Turbo 997.2 sport auto performance

    gian61:
    acrobat:
    gian61:

     May be it's a stupid question,but out of curisity,what speed do you reach a 997tt in 7th gear?

    TKS

    Good question. Panamera Turbo can do 303 kph in 6th gear and "only" 275 kph in 7th. I think the TT's top in 7th is around 285 kph.

     

    From Italian magazine AUTO:

    max speed in 7th gear: 308.4 Km/h at 5450 rpm 

    311.3 in 6th at 7000 rpm

     

    so the new turbo will have a lower MAX SPEED than my current 997TT MANUAL, because if it put 311km/h  in the MAX rev of 6th GEAR, my   turbo i did in speedo 325km/h it will mean easily MORE than REAL 311km/h.
     

     

    so maybe with the new turbo i can be faster in acceleration but no doubt slower in MAX SPEED??? SmileySmiley


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    cannga:

    ^^^ Agreed that it's a good idea; I think the new GT3 wheels are the most beautiful Porsche wheels currently, but... do you know if they will fit on a Turbo?

    Also, have you considered BBS Fi? Best 997 wheel on the market currently IMHO. http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread/20151704/Best_wheel_for_Porsche_Turbo_or_any_Porsche_911_BBS_Fi/page1.html

     

    Can - the link throws up this message...

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