Sep 3, 2009 1:45:20 AM
Boxster Coupe, Thanks for posting the pictures.. Great looking car, particularly the interior. I concur, the price is way over the top for a 911 with most parts coming out of the parts bin.. However, those seats would look great in my 987S.
elsiesvg:
If I want real exclusivity, I'll go and buy a Ferrari. If I stay with Porsche, it's because they are the best real-world sports cars. And they are honest sports-cars. The company should be careful not to loose that image of honesty.
Well said. In the late 80's and 90's, there are 3.2 Clubsport, 964 RS, 964 RS America. These are still my reference for a honest sport car and stil very desirable in the market. I was really hoping that Porsche will build something like these instead of fancy dress-up overpriced "specials".
93' Guard Red 968 Coupe
Sep 3, 2009 2:29:34 AM
Shawminator:
I still can't get over the proposed cost for this car. Now I understand why Porsche says they will only make 250 of them...because only those people with money to burn would consider this car. Perhaps if they priced around the same as a Turbo, it might be an interesting option to consider. However, with 408 hp and a cost of 169K euros, it's not even worth considering.
Most of these will be bought by long time Porsche collectors and immediately put into deep storage for the next 25 years .
250 is an unusually low number for a 911 special .
This should be a US $150-160 K car, not $200K, though, I think we all agree.
Prev Porsche " badge engineering " specials were made in much higher numbers like their various " anniversary " 911s the past 25 years which consisted mainly of " special " paint and/or interior colors .
With reg production GT3RS and who knows ,maybe a future GT2 RS , Porsche has to protect these high profit ultra performance cars in their sales heirchy , so this Classic model makes perfect marketing sense for extracting untapped dollars from the non track -day crowd .
MKW:
250 is an unusually low number for a 911 special .
It's not very many, but it's nearly 10 times as many as were made for the US in 1988-89 for the Carrera 3.2 Club Sport (28 total over two model years).
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
BTW, is the powerkit option on this the same as the one for the standard 997.2 S models? Or is the rich and hardy collector getting something extra that no-one else can get engine-wise when he plumps his hard-earned for this "classic"?
997.1 cab C2S tip
elsiesvg:
BTW, is the powerkit option on this the same as the one for the standard 997.2 S models? Or is the rich and hardy collector getting something extra that no-one else can get engine-wise when he plumps his hard-earned for this "classic"?
AFAIK it's the same powerkit. Nearly the whole car is put together from parts you can get for the standard Carrera models as well and those you can't get at the moment will probably available in the near future.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Sep 3, 2009 7:48:53 AM
Mike S:
Pity about the price. I have a gut feeling that once this sells out and a few months have passed. We will get the launch of the "911 Turbo Classic"
I think you may be right, Mike..... and it will get the Martini stripes...
JP66:
So is the 991 spyshots thread we had actually this "collectors Classic"?
Some of us have told you that this pictures where not the 991 mule. The 991 mule have much more camo and is wider and longer wheel base, no rear and front lights... so on.... like on these two pictures:
MKW:
I LOVE it !! ( Because I came of 911 age in late 60s/early 70s as a teen ) and I would buy it JUST for the " Fuchs " style wheels , like on my first 911.
I agree that the Fuchs style wheels are great, in old and new iteration. I personally find these too particulate or small-scale in comparison to the 997´s sleek look. The mixture of elements look like an assortment, not as coherent asthe regular Carrera to me.
As I learned on another post, viewer´s perception can massively differ. For the generation that has forgotten about high school, this car seems to revive other connotations than for me.
Rossi:
elsiesvg:
BTW, is the powerkit option on this the same as the one for the standard 997.2 S models? Or is the rich and hardy collector getting something extra that no-one else can get engine-wise when he plumps his hard-earned for this "classic"?
AFAIK it's the same powerkit. Nearly the whole car is put together from parts you can get for the standard Carrera models as well and those you can't get at the moment will probably available in the near future.
I think that whether or not you can build a replica of this car from individual parts is not relevant. The collector's value (if it materializes in future of course) will emanate from the authentic serial numbers.
However, IMO it would be wise for Porsche not to offer certain parts (like woven leather, roof, bumpers, fuchs etc) to the market in general, so as to maintain the manufacturer's credibility. Even the colour shouldn't be available for other Porsches. Ordering of parts should be limited to the 250 VINs only. Otherwise the Limited Edition concept will be a joke.
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SciFrog:
I don't think these wll hold value. Not special enough, just a few parts here and there.
If I remember well, a few years ago there was a US-only special edition of the 997 in a special blue colour with X51 etc. Is this car sought after at all now?
Italo:
I would rather spend my hard earned money on a used Gallardo SL, better value and also a limited product
Better sell a few more assets (or borrow ) and buy a RWD Gallardo Balboni that is really unique. This kind of logic is never ending.
SciFrog:
They only made 50 of these, they hold value a little better than standard ones, but not really special either, even less special than the Sports Classic... They were not overpriced at the time and still trade lower FYI...
Thanks! Do you remember the name of the colour?
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
Sep 3, 2009 12:05:21 PM
Sep 3, 2009 2:04:34 PM
I say this only once and then I shut up: whoever buys this thing should get a serious reality check (or doesn't have a clue about Porsche cars).
Btw: the powerkit should be available soon, buying a 997 with powerkit for this kind of money is kind of...well...how should I put it...DUMB.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
BiTurbo:
I'd pick an LP550-2 (250 units) for that kinda price tag
I'd still rather have a GT3RS for considerably less money. I did see the Balboni edition LP550-2 recently in Carmel, CA and it looked very cool. Then when it stopped and Mr. Valentino Balboni stepped out, it made the scene even cooler.
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
RC:
I say this only once and then I shut up: whoever buys this thing should get a serious reality check (or doesn't have a clue about Porsche cars).
Btw: the powerkit should be available soon, buying a 997 with powerkit for this kind of money is kind of...well...how should I put it...DUMB.
The Powerkit is already available for MY2010 for all Carrera S (2wd,4wd, PDK and manual and all body styles)
"X51 Carrera S Powerkit
Engine upgrade to 408 hp. Comprised of modified cylinder heads, carbon-fiber
air filter casing (upper part), new variable resonance intake manifold with six
tuning flaps, sports exhaust system featuring specially designed twin dual-tube
tailpipes and modified engine management. Note: also available in conjunction
with PDK."
Price: 16.900 USD, 12.376 Euro Germany
$17k for that option has never seemed sillier to me. I remember when it cost $13k for a bigger power increase in 2003 (and an even bigger power percent increase, since the power levels were lower overall then) and I thought it was a crazy price. Why would anyone looking for more power not just buy a GT3? I guess if you have to have PDK...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
Grant:
$17k for that option has never seemed sillier to me. I remember when it cost $13k for a bigger power increase in 2003 (and an even bigger power percent increase, since the power levels were lower overall then) and I thought it was a crazy price. Why would anyone looking for more power not just buy a GT3? I guess if you have to have PDK...
Or rear seats, perhaps. And anyway the Carrera S is a friendlier car than the GT3 for daily use.
But to be honest the 385 HP Carrera S is more than adequate unless you wish do 280+ km/h all day, every day in Germany.
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
Sep 3, 2009 5:45:28 PM
Sep 3, 2009 6:06:06 PM
Grant:
MKW:
250 is an unusually low number for a 911 special .
It's not very many, but it's nearly 10 times as many as were made for the US in 1988-89 for the Carrera 3.2 Club Sport (28 total over two model years).
--73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
i was gonna trade my '87 Targa for one of those back then when I first caught wind of it , but when I discovered that it was mainly a pkg of " track lightening " by deleting ridiculous items like the door bin covers and such , wth minimal susp/engine changes , I passed.
At least this Classic model has unique items such as the double bubble roof , which you aren't exactly gonna order at the dealer's parts desk.
I'm sure more late 80s Club Sport 911s would have been produced had their been demand. Perhaps it's the internet, but the Porsche community seems far more track focused today than 20 years ago. One could argue that this special edition is no more outrageously priced than a 930 Slant Nose with custom leather/piping and pearl effect paint. Of course I can only imagine the reaction of some pundits to such a car were they and the internet to be transported back 20 years.
DaveC:
I'm sure more late 80s Club Sport 911s would have been produced had their been demand. Perhaps it's the internet, but the Porsche community seems far more track focused today than 20 years ago. One could argue that this special edition is no more outrageously priced than a 930 Slant Nose with custom leather/piping and pearl effect paint. Of course I can only imagine the reaction of some pundits to such a car were they and the internet to be transported back 20 years.
Back then , we thought the $110-120 K or so base MSRP for a '99 Slant Nose Turbo Cabriolet cruisemobile was shocking , to say the least , esp just 18 months after the " yuppie" stock market crash of Oct '87. It sold well to the Micheal Jordans of the world .