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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    ed_moree:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley

     Frankly I find the design of this steering wheel quite ugly... But who cares, finally Porsche has fixed this stupid problems of those horendous buttons!!! Smiley Is this option going to be available on the Boster as well? Smiley


    It's not yet in the confugurator... Smiley

    I guess it will be available from next year onwards.
     


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    great the mircosite!!!

    Like really much the new standard rims!

    About daylights,in some pics is like now,in some other only the one that are foglights on our model are on..i don't understand..

    like also the new steering wheel with paddles,finally!

     


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo revealed - 500 hp

    Impressive. I didn't see anything about the brakes. Did it get .2 GT3 style brakes?


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Rossi:
    ed_moree:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley

     Frankly I find the design of this steering wheel quite ugly... But who cares, finally Porsche has fixed this stupid problems of those horendous buttons!!! Smiley Is this option going to be available on the Boster as well? Smiley


    It's not yet in the confugurator... Smiley

    I guess it will be available from next year onwards.
     

     

    Yeah. It should be an option on the 2011 Boxster and 997 carrera models.


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Love all the new improvements--lots of engineering advances.

    I am still underwhelmed by the rear exhaust, bumper and wing treatment.  I know the Panamera rear is controversial, but it looks more integrated to me.  The turbo rear still looks like several add-on pieces put together.  But do I want one?  You bet...


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    2010 911 (997.2) Turbo / Turbo Cabriolet

    Engine:

    Flat-6 / 3.8L / TwinTurbo (VTG + DFI)
    500hp @ 6,000 rpm
    480 lb-ft @ 1,950 ~ 5,000 rpm with overboost 516 lb-ft at 2,100 ~ 4,000 rpm

    CR (Compression Ratio): 9.8:1

    Transmission:

    - 6-Spd Manual (Standard) / 7-Spd Auto PDK (Optional)
    - AWD(4WD) with electronically controlled multi-plate clutch (PTM + PTV)

    *PTM: Porsche Traction Management
    *PTV(Optional): Porsche Torque Vectoring which offers variable distribution of engine torque to the rear wheels and mechanical LSD.

    Weight Manual / PDK:

    Turbo
    - 1,570 kg / 1,595 kg

    Turbo Cabriolet
    - 1,645 kg  1,670 kg

    Performance (Manual / PDK):

    Turbo
    0 - 100km/h (62mph): 3.7s / 3.6s (3.4s Sport Chrono Package PDK)

    Turbo Cabriolet
    0 - 100km/h (62mph): 3.8s / 3.7s (3.5s Sport Chrono Package PDK)

    0 - 200km/h (124mph): 11.9 or (11.3)

    Top Speed (Manual + PDK): 312km/h (194mph)













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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Alex_997TT:


    Looking forward to seeing the 100-200kph times.  Currently:

    Car 100-200
    997 Turbo Cargraphic 544 RSC 3.6 7.1
    997 Turbo Ruf 550 (cup tyres) 7.2
    997 GT2 7.3
    997.2 GT3 8.2
    997 Turbo (tip) 8.4
    997 Turbo (manual) 8.6


    I would expect the 997.2 Turbo to be somewhere between 8.0 to 7.8 seconds.  Porsche wouldn't make a 997.2 Turbo faster than a GT2 though; marketing for you.  Not that a car with a lot more weight and 30PS less could go faster than a GT2 anyway.

    So here we go then:


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Rossi:
    ed_moree:
    But who cares, finally Porsche has fixed this stupid problems of those horendous buttons!!! Smiley Is this option going to be available on the Boster as well? Smiley


    It's not yet in the confugurator... Smiley

    I guess it will be available from next year onwards.
     

    As from 02/2010


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    it's a nice car, but when the 458 will have 580 hp and the privately built 928 engine has 50% more power NA, then it puts it in perspective.

    It's all the power you need for a sporty convertible, but porsche can no longer claim to be leading anything.

    They really need a top GT again. (fresh design)


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Alex, that 0-200 for the 997 GT2 is wrong isn't it ? should be 11.1s official figure ?


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Yup, I still say if Ferrari can build a mini Enzo then Porsche should build a mini Carrera GT!

    I'd buy one in a heartbeat!


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Again, .2 GT3 STYLE BRAKES???

    Sorry, just a little anxious.


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    TB993tt:

    Alex, that 0-200 for the 997 GT2 is wrong isn't it ? should be 11.1s official figure ?

    That's what AutoBild achieved Toby.  I could use the official one if you prefer in my charts...


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    devo:

    Again, .2 GT3 STYLE BRAKES???

    Sorry, just a little anxious.

    If there were changes then I would expect them to be in the safety section of the microsite videos.  I didn't notice any mention though when I watched all the vids.


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Alex_997TT:
    TB993tt:

    Alex, that 0-200 for the 997 GT2 is wrong isn't it ? should be 11.1s official figure ?

    That's what AutoBild achieved Toby.  I could use the official one if you prefer in my charts...

     

    Dunno, I guess if you are comparing Porsche's own numbers (ie same test track/testing method) then it should really be the 11.1s Smiley


     


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Just went on the Porsche Germany site and the PDF pricelist for the GT2 says 11.2s and 1515kg.  I will use this and update all my charts.


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Alex_997TT:

    Just went on the Porsche Germany site and the PDF pricelist for the GT2 says 11.2s and 1515kg.  I will use this and update all my charts.


    It is probably best to use Porsche's own numbers where possible as one would hope their tests are done same conditions/method...... I just google Autobild test and the GT2 one I got showed 0-200 in 11.6s ! so they really are all over the place. Having said that Porsche reckon the GT2 gets to 300 in 33s and no magazine has got under 36s so far Smiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley

     

    Why  paddles and multifunction is not available? I cannot understand how Porsche plan their extras Smiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    The new PDK steering wheel with paddles is IMO what PAG should have designed right from the start. I'm glad they listened to all the feedback. It also looks much more beautiful to me than the other one with rocker switches.

    I wonder if anyone will choose the rocker switch steering wheel over the paddle steering? I imagine v v few. But PAG wouldn't want to be seen accepting that it was a mistake - and dropping the rocker switch steering wheel entirely would be an admission of this. But I imagine they will quietly drop it in the next model year arguing both choices were initially offered to help 'transition' those who liked Tiptronic S on the 997.1 TT.

    Nice choice of rims. One of them is very similar to the HRE P40. I never liked the 997.1 TT rims.

    PTV seems to be a good new technological advance.

    I wonder if they improved the exhaust sound?

    Rear LEDs are nice.

    The performance improvement is really underwhelming. 20HP more is really miserly. The main improvements are in fuel consumption and emissions. It seems like PAG has just given up trying to match the LP560-4, the F430 and the new 458 Italia for performance and power.

    Dropping the GT1 derived engine for a 3.8L DFI engine will upset those who want something tried and tested. However, Reginos is right IMO. PAG should not stay chained to its past glories. Simply hanging onto the GT1 engine implies a mindset that the 'golden age' is in the past and that the future is just all downhill. PAG needs to innovate and come up with something new, something better. These small incremental increases are leaving Porsche behind.

    I find the whole debate about GT1 engines in the TT to be disconnected from the market realities. PAG could not continue to use Tiptronic S. That technology is totally ancient. PAG couldn't marry PDK with a GT1 engine. Since they had to drop Tiptronic S and implement PDK, they had to drop the GT1 engine.

    Also, the GT1 engine was just too expensive and in today's financial climate, that matters. I think the major achievement has been to get the PDK system to handle the 997.2 TT's greater torque. But I guess the investment to make that happen was shared with getting that right for the Panamera TT.

    I would expect this is also a tacit admission that the TT will continue on the path towards being an ever more user-friendly, ever softer car while the more track oriented buyers will be ever more catered for using the GT3, GT3 RS and GT2 models. The GT1 engine may continue with another iteration of the GT3 using a manual transmission. This 997.2 TT confirmed to me (at least) that the most rewarding 911 driving experience is available in the GT3.

    If I were an existing 997.1 TT owner, I wouldn't be able to justify the depreciation hit in upgrading to a 997.2 TT. For non-Porsche owners or owners with a Boxster/Cayman, Carrera/Targa etc, IMO moving up to a 997.2 TT would be a great upgrade.

    I plan to hang onto my 997.1 C2S and to increase my own driver potential by attending driving courses. I may feel tempted to get a 991 TT but I would be looking for enough change of appearance from the 997 if I upgrade. Let's see...


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley

    2010-Porsche-911-Turbo-PDK-paddle-shift-3-spoke-sports-steering-wheel.jpg

    Smiley


    It looks good BUT the paddles need to be on the column, not on the steering wheel !!!! Smiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Could anybody please send me the press release and pictures on original resolution?
    I lost my access to the press pages :-(

    Thanks in advance,
    -Joost-


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Gnil:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley


    Smiley


    It looks good BUT the paddles need to be on the column, not on the steering wheel !!!! Smiley

     

    be patient,before we whant paddles,and now they give us paddles,

     

    now we whant paddles on the column(sure on the column paddles are better),and then on the next model they will give us paddle on the columnSmileySmiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Super Darius:
    Gnil:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley


    Smiley


    It looks good BUT the paddles need to be on the column, not on the steering wheel !!!! Smiley

     

    be patient,before we whant paddles,and now they give us paddles,

     

    now we whant paddles on the column(sure on the column paddles are better),and then on the next model they will give us paddle on the columnSmileySmiley


    So we can get real exited about the 991 !! It might have them on the column  !! Woawwww Smiley

    And a good excuse to upgrade to a  new car !!! Smiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    What a car!


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    devo:

    Again, .2 GT3 STYLE BRAKES???

    Sorry, just a little anxious.

    In the safety video it said 350mm all 4 disc brakes Smiley


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    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Racerx, I agree about the need for a new design.  While I salute Porsche for all the new advances in this 997.2 version--and it has created that eternal seed of desire in me for buying one--I would be absolutely crazy for the new car if it had a newer design along with the engineering changes.  I just keep imagining that rear fender line flowing seamlessly into the rear wing and deck lid, for example.  Now it looks like a fender, a rear wing and a rear decklid--three separate pieces.  Also, the exhaust port treatment could surely be improved. 

    But, putting the performance in perspective compared to Ferrari, Porsche has always matched or bested any new Ferrari model (in the TT class).  Considering the price differential between the TT and the 480, Porsche performance/usability is quite extraordinary.  But the Porsche design seems to be falling behind, a situation that to me could be remedied fairly easily with some exciting new bodywork, without sacrificing every day drivability.  The TT still looks like a 997 with attachments.  My guess is that a bit more style differentiation, even at a greater expense, would be welcomed enthusiastically by top end Porsche buyers. 


    Re: Press Release: 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo...

    Gnil:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    ...that 3-spoke sports steering wheel with PDK paddles looks awesome!

    Smiley

    It looks good BUT the paddles need to be on the column, not on the steering wheel !!!! Smiley


    Well, we couldn't really expect that, all VW got their paddles at the steering wheel. Smiley Smiley Smiley
     


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo revealed - 493 hp

    kashmir:

    May be only 20hp plus....but I assume the new 4WD and the PTV will bring the track performance significantly fowward. NBR times should be something like 10-12sec better that 997.1 turbo.

    Real Track performance may have suffered by losing the true dry sump engine though (can the new one be used with race tires?).
     


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