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May 25, 2009 10:08:07 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: fritz

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

fritz:

Grant:

I can understand most of the objective results. Are there any interesting subjective observations made that are worth translating?

Grant

Kreso has already mentioned that Horst von Saurma did not precisely pinpoint the handling advantages of the dynamic engine mount, but he did say that the relatively smooth running of the engine both at idle and throughout its rev range are in indication of its efficacy. The driving wheels are less inclined to tramp during heavy acceleration.

Where the suspension is concerned, the new GT3 has inherited the genes of the 997 GT2, whose production has now come to an end, so the car now runs better than its immediate predecessor not only in a straight line but also in corners.

HvS cryptically says that the choice of set-ups for Normal and Sport settings of the PASM system are now more easy to comprehend, meaning that the set-ups now really do fit the different requirements of street and track better than in the past. He mentions in this context that during warmup or in traffic there are no signs of shaking (presumeably of the power unit) or of resonance. (I suspect that he should really have attributed these improvements to the dynamic engine mounts though).

The optimized aerodynamics make straight line running up to the top speed of 310 km/h more easily accessible, improving the car out of all recognition.
Where a comfortable (Autobahn) cruising speed might for various reasons have been about 220 km/h up until now, the GT3 now makes a base speed of 250 km/h easily and comfortably possible.

Initial diasappointment at the lack of a PDK transmission is tempered by the facts that the function and operation of the manual transmission leave nothing to be desired, and that the additional weight of the PDK would have run counter to the highest priority of a GT3, keeping down weight.

The driving dynamics of the car come in for a lot of praise from HvS.

Danke Smiley

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May 25, 2009 10:15:30 PM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: fritz

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

fritz:

Where a comfortable (Autobahn) cruising speed might for various reasons have been about 220 km/h up until now, the GT3 now makes a base speed of 250 km/h easily and comfortably possible.

Excellent summary, fritz Smiley BTW I had to grin when I read the paragraph about the comfy Autobahn ride Smiley

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May 25, 2009 10:20:48 PM

devo: Veteran; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 1107, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 31, 2006; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

KresoF1:

Markus,

Cup+ N0 are marginally better for dry track BUT, also not so good on the wet. Same thing happened to current M3 in Supertest. BMW equiped the car with Cup+ and while pretty fast on dry track wet track results were not good at all.

Just, IMHO GT3 is NOT wet road car anyway...

KresoF1, can you shoot me a private message so that I can repsond. I can't figure out how to send a message; all I can see are responses and received messages.

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May 25, 2009 10:21:45 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Porsche-Jeck:

fritz:

Where a comfortable (Autobahn) cruising speed might for various reasons have been about 220 km/h up until now, the GT3 now makes a base speed of 250 km/h easily and comfortably possible.

I had to grin when I read the paragraph about the comfy Autobahn ride

I did too. I particularly liked his intro: "One shouldn't say it out loud"! Smiley

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May 26, 2009 6:38:22 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: fritz

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

fritz:

Where the suspension is concerned, the new GT3 has inherited the genes of the 997 GT2, whose production has now come to an end,

That is interesting. Did not know that the GT2 production has stopped already Smiley

I would be really interested whether there will be a GT2 FL next year (close to end of production of 997). The timing of facelifts in case of the 996 series makes a FL for the 997GT2 fairly likely (996GT2 Mk2 was launched about 12 months before end of production of the 996 series, right?). But then, finanical considerations and the market environment might prevent Porsche from "investing" in the FL of a car that sells in so small numbers Smiley

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May 26, 2009 6:43:51 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

MKSGR:

fritz:

Where the suspension is concerned, the new GT3 has inherited the genes of the 997 GT2, whose production has now come to an end,

That is interesting. Did not know that the GT2 production has stopped already

I would be really interested whether there will be a GT2 FL next year (close to end of production of 997). The timing of facelifts in case of the 996 series makes a FL for the 997GT2 fairly likely (996GT2 Mk2 was launched about 12 months before end of production of the 996 series, right?). But then, finanical considerations and the market environment might prevent Porsche from "investing" in the FL of a car that sells in so small numbers

no info about a confirmed GT2 FL,instead for sure:

january 2010 997 gt3 RS

may 2010 Turbo S FL

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May 26, 2009 8:13:55 AM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Fritz, thanks for the scan and the excllent summary Smiley

The bit about using the GT2 set up for straight line stability and how effective it is rings a bell here, I could not believe how stable the GT2 is at 320kph, quite uncanny and alien to other 911s...

I noted that the frontal area and Cd of the GT3 is virtually identical to the GT2 giving it the same CdA of 0.66 - I would imagine that with this much drag the acceleration over ~250kph is going to suffer (particularly compared to the last super slippery GT3 which I know (even the RS version) was GPS clocked at 332kph by Flat 6 magazine)

The downforce numbers are pretty impressive and apparently at 300kph they rise to 40kg front and 70kg rear !

I read about the GT2 production ending in 911 & Porsche world and wondered if were true ? It would be interesting to know how many were made and future plans for MK2 version ?

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May 26, 2009 9:56:56 AM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

andrea:

MKSGR:

fritz:

Where the suspension is concerned, the new GT3 has inherited the genes of the 997 GT2, whose production has now come to an end,

That is interesting. Did not know that the GT2 production has stopped already

I would be really interested whether there will be a GT2 FL next year (close to end of production of 997). The timing of facelifts in case of the 996 series makes a FL for the 997GT2 fairly likely (996GT2 Mk2 was launched about 12 months before end of production of the 996 series, right?). But then, finanical considerations and the market environment might prevent Porsche from "investing" in the FL of a car that sells in so small numbers

no info about a confirmed GT2 FL,instead for sure:

january 2010 997 gt3 RS

may 2010 Turbo S FL

And Turbp FL, andrea?

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May 26, 2009 9:59:26 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Enzo II

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Turbo FL is due this fall Smiley

P.S.: IF there should be a turbo S (with more power than FL 997TT) THEN I am 99% sure we will also see a FL GT2...

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May 26, 2009 10:02:08 AM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Thanks

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May 26, 2009 11:08:27 AM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

MKSGR:
P.S.: IF there should be a turbo S (with more power than FL 997TT) THEN I am 99% sure we will also see a FL GT2...

Yes..a FL GT2 need to exist in way to have no conflict with Turbo S power figure.

If they made a Turbo S with 530 Hp i think there will be a GT2 with at least 550 HP,what a pity that after a few months the 991 C2 will come.. Smiley

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May 26, 2009 4:26:23 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: Enzo II

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Enzo II:

andrea:

MKSGR:

fritz:

Where the suspension is concerned, the new GT3 has inherited the genes of the 997 GT2, whose production has now come to an end,

That is interesting. Did not know that the GT2 production has stopped already

I would be really interested whether there will be a GT2 FL next year (close to end of production of 997). The timing of facelifts in case of the 996 series makes a FL for the 997GT2 fairly likely (996GT2 Mk2 was launched about 12 months before end of production of the 996 series, right?). But then, finanical considerations and the market environment might prevent Porsche from "investing" in the FL of a car that sells in so small numbers

no info about a confirmed GT2 FL,instead for sure:

january 2010 997 gt3 RS

may 2010 Turbo S FL

And Turbp FL, andrea?

official european presentation turbo coupé&cabrio on 21 November

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May 26, 2009 4:28:30 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

any technical update about my question on PADM?thanks

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May 26, 2009 4:58:56 PM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Thanks andrea...so...no Turbo for Frankfurt?

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May 26, 2009 9:11:35 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Super Darius:

MKSGR:
P.S.: IF there should be a turbo S (with more power than FL 997TT) THEN I am 99% sure we will also see a FL GT2...

Yes..a FL GT2 need to exist in way to have no conflict with Turbo S power figure.

If they made a Turbo S with 530 Hp i think there will be a GT2 with at least 550 HP,what a pity that after a few months the 991 C2 will come..

Absolutely Smiley BTW, it will quite some time until the GT2 version of the 991 will be available... So a FL GT2 could bridge the time until an all new GT2 Smiley

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May 26, 2009 9:13:08 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Enzo II

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Enzo II:

Thanks andrea...so...no Turbo for Frankfurt?

I think, the November dates relate to the dealer presentations. The car should be shown at the IAA Smiley

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May 27, 2009 12:54:11 AM

nizer: Newbie; Loc: Northeast , United States; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 4, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Like the color. Problem is that there's nothing to indicate to date that it'll be an option or even available as PTS. Upside if you can get is that it'll boost resale value given that it'll be pretty rare and there are a lot of folks that like this color. I'll be bummed if Porsche offers it to ROW and not US.

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May 27, 2009 1:31:51 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: nizer

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

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May 27, 2009 3:01:36 AM

x838nwy: Junior; Loc: umm.....; Posts: 71, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 13, 2007; Reply to: nizer

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

nizer:

Like the color. Problem is that there's nothing to indicate to date that it'll be an option or even available as PTS. Upside if you can get is that it'll boost resale value given that it'll be pretty rare and there are a lot of folks that like this color. I'll be bummed if Porsche offers it to ROW and not US.

I don't think the ROW will get this colour as an option - they're not offering it at the moment at way. Perhaps they're saving bright(er) colours for the RS?

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May 27, 2009 6:56:29 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

MKSGR:

Enzo II:

Thanks andrea...so...no Turbo for Frankfurt?

I think, the November dates relate to the dealer presentations. The car should be shown at the IAA

Smiley exactly

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May 27, 2009 7:46:23 AM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

MKSGR:

Absolutely BTW, it will quite some time until the GT2 version of the 991 will be available... So a FL GT2 could bridge the time until an all new GT2

so...you are telling me that i must open my empty pocket and change my car? Smiley Smiley

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May 27, 2009 8:59:27 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: Super Darius

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...some info says 991 can arrive before we expect...

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May 27, 2009 10:57:49 AM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

andrea:

...some info says 991 can arrive before we expect...

i heard from different source too that 991 will arrive soon ,and the Turbo MKII will have a really short life.. Smiley

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May 27, 2009 11:13:49 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Super Darius

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Now that is interesting!

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May 27, 2009 11:19:35 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Super Darius:

andrea:

...some info says 991 can arrive before we expect...

i heard from different source too that 991 will arrive soon ,and the Turbo MKII will have a really short life..

997.2 Carrera appeared in spring 2008 and production July 2008, so 991 carrera models should be around the same time in 2011. I don't think any sooner than that, with 991 Turbo a few months later.

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May 27, 2009 1:12:17 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Super Darius:

MKSGR:

Absolutely BTW, it will quite some time until the GT2 version of the 991 will be available... So a FL GT2 could bridge the time until an all new GT2

so...you are telling me that i must open my empty pocket and change my car?

You understand my subtle hint Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

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May 27, 2009 2:04:41 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

reginos:
997.2 Carrera appeared in spring 2008 and production July 2008, so 991 carrera models should be around the same time in 2011. I don't think any sooner than that, with 991 Turbo a few months later.

Yes,i think the same,Summer 2011...

but i've heard half an year before..,anyway they need space also for the Cayenne II..and we are at half 2009,so there is only next year,and i don't think they take out from the cap two all new car in an year..so or rumors are wrong or 2010 will be a 20 months long year Smiley

Regarding the 991TT, the 997 TT was out two years after the 997 C2..so if 991 C2 will come in 2011,991 TT will be here around 2013,and if rumors are true there is something wrong also here.. Smiley

I think that a good solution to jump all this question is the one that MKSGR make me a present and give me for free his GT2 Smiley Smiley

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May 27, 2009 3:04:28 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

Super Darius:

I think that a good solution to jump all this question is the one that MKSGR make me a present and give me for free his GT2

Smiley Smiley Smiley OMG Smiley Smiley Smiley

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May 27, 2009 11:00:43 PM

jesse: Co-Pilot; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 270, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2004; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

andrea:

no info about a confirmed GT2 FL,instead for sure:

january 2010 997 gt3 RS

may 2010 Turbo S FL

I've heard, that there is an optional power kit planned (plus ~34-45 hp) for the gt3 rs.
Customers of the recent Cup Driving Session at Weissach can confirm that maybe. Anybody?

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May 28, 2009 6:20:03 AM

x838nwy: Junior; Loc: umm.....; Posts: 71, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 13, 2007; Reply to: jesse

Re: 997.2 GT3 Sport Auto Supertest

jesse:

andrea:

no info about a confirmed GT2 FL,instead for sure:

january 2010 997 gt3 RS

may 2010 Turbo S FL

I've heard, that there is an optional power kit planned (plus ~34-45 hp) for the gt3 rs.
Customers of the recent Cup Driving Session at Weissach can confirm that maybe. Anybody?

Unless it's a stroker kit, that would be a simply insane amount of power from a normally aspirated 3.8

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