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    R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    3.7s and 11.9s 911 Turbo manual
    3.9s and 12.1s R8 5.2 FSI R Tronic

    Huh!

    997 Turbo faster on the track as well. Difference is not big, but I honestly expected much, much more from R8 5.2 FSI...

    Porsche achieved 4L less fuel consumption then R8 V10. 997 Turbo was also better at handling... To explain little bit-it is latest MY09 997 Turbo manual with LSD and latest software for its PTM AWD system.
    Both cars were on standard tires.

    Further bad news-I received email from my Motorpresse friend-both AMS and Sport Auto are currently testing two examples of R8 5.2 FSI. Results are not great at all...

    If bad trend is confirmed by AMS and Sport Auto I will cancelled my R8 5.2 FSI order-I am not kidding.


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Is it down to weight? What are the relative weights?

    The R8 chassis is very well sorted and the Turbo is not the fastest track car, strange! 


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Can't wait for 997 TT FL, might be king again!

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    reginos:

    Is it down to weight? What are the relative weights?

    The R8 chassis is very well sorted and the Turbo is not the fastest track car, strange! 


            R8 5.2 FSI was over 50kgs heavier.

    Regarding chassis...HMM... We need to stop reading UK based magazines. Period.

    Why? They praised R8 5.2FSI as much as possible. They worship LP560-4 as well, but we know that this car is track underperformer.

    Look at recent Drivers Republic comparison-997 Turbo was pretty fast around Silverstone...

    According to my info-latest MY09 997 Turbo manual with LSD, PCCB, Buckets and Cups is over 5s faster on the Ring then 997.2CS testes by Sport Auto. That means 7.45min at least...


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Kreso - I can understand why the numbers might disappoint a bit, but you shouldn't base such a decision on specifications like that.  This is not a racecar, it's a car for driving pleasure.  If the N'Ring times are a few seconds slower than a 997TT, that should not dissuade you from buying the Audi.  Surely, there is something about the Audi that attracted you in the first place, besides perfomance numbers?  If not, then I agree - buy something else...
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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Kreso, did you drove a Scuderia? If not you should give it a try... I bet you can get a good deal on a new one these days...

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    There is no try. Just do.

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Grant:
    Kreso - I can understand why the numbers might disappoint a bit, but you shouldn't base such a decision on specifications like that.  This is not a racecar, it's a car for driving pleasure.  If the N'Ring times are a few seconds slower than a 997TT, that should not dissuade you from buying the Audi.  Surely, there is something about the Audi that attracted you in the first place, besides perfomance numbers?  If not, then I agree - buy something else...
    Sometimes the more the technical specification and the drama of a car, the more the disappointment from even minor deviations, which true, they might be practically insignificant.


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Grant,

    Mid engine layout and V8 for the price(then) lower then 997 Turbo attracted me to buy R8 4.2 FSI. Overall, I am pleased with it. Just, it is not fast as I expected and agricultural AWD feel on steering wheel on parking speed(you can feel that Visco diff) is key lows IMHO.

    As I am huge mid engine fan there are two or three solutions for me:

    1. FL Cayman S PDK with LSD, PASM, 19", SC Plus and PCCB. I will only buy it that equiped.

    2. Ferrari 430 Scuderia or new 45(7?)0. Much more expensive. Scud excellent to drive, but I do not love Superfast gearbox(to fragile mechanically IMO)...

    3. 997 Turbo or wait for 997.2 Turbo. Or order 997 Turbo manual with LSD ASAP and then make an agreement with dealer about trade-in for 997.2 Turbo when it becomes available. 


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Tough choice.


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Fourth and possibly the best solution for me is 997.2 GT3.

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Wow Kreso, we share the same problem Smiley


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    There is no try. Just do.

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    KresoF1:
    Fourth and possibly the best solution for me is 997.2 GT3.

            That is my personal favorite among your choices (and there will be a 997.2 GT3RS also).Smiley


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Kreso I would get the GT3 (with all performance extras) for a more pure sportscar fun and a performance Audi (saloon or coupe) for daily + family use, longer trips etc.

    Besides you can keep the GT3 for many years, it is this sort of car among your candidates,that its appeal does not wear off.


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    It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    reginos:

    Kreso I would get the GT3 (with all performance extras) for a more pure sportscar fun and a performance Audi (saloon or coupe) for daily + family use, longer trips etc.

    Besides you can keep the GT3 for many years, it is this sort of car among your candidates,that its appeal does not wear off.


            Yes, GT3 MkII is great choice. Just, it can not be used daily... I need to think hard... 997.2 Turbo is also tempting...


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    GT3 is so customizable with it's suspension that I don't see why you couldn't use it as a daily.  Just soften the sways, reduce the cambers a little and raise the ride height.  Then when you take it to the track you can put it back into a track setup.

    I have new found respect for the Porsche GTx models now after playing with the suspension on my modded-Turbo!

    Also, I don't think Porsche will change their target customer with the 997.2 Turbo, so expect another GT and not a track focused car.  If they introduce the ability to change even ride height I will be AMAZED!


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    GT3 is the way to go.

    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    KresoF1:
    reginos:

    Is it down to weight? What are the relative weights?

    The R8 chassis is very well sorted and the Turbo is not the fastest track car, strange! 


            R8 5.2 FSI was over 50kgs heavier.


          Just bought the magazine:  The Audi was even 120kg heavier Smiley


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    MKSGR:
    KresoF1:
    reginos:

    Is it down to weight? What are the relative weights?

    The R8 chassis is very well sorted and the Turbo is not the fastest track car, strange! 


            R8 5.2 FSI was over 50kgs heavier.


          Just bought the magazine:  The Audi was even 120kg heavier Smiley


            Markus,

    I left AZ in the car. Please, post all figures(0-100, 0-200, track time and weight) if possible.

    Yes, I was shocked with weight as well.Smiley


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Here are the key figures:

    997TT - R8V10

    0-100: 3.7s - 3.7s

    0-200: 11.9s - 12.1s

    Lap-Time: 1.38,6 - 1.39,1

    100-0 warm: 32.9m - 34.0m

    tested weight: 1520kg - 1640kg

    tested fuel consumption: 12.6l/100km - 15.4l/100km

    Smiley
     


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Markus,

    I am puzzled little bit with 997TT weight figure. 1520kg is BELOW official Porsche figure. In fact 65kg below... Is that red 997TT with Schalensitze?


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    My Turbo (PCCB + LSD) weighs 1562.5kg with no driver and 1/2 tank fuel.  It includes savings of about 5kg on it's CG exhaust and a few kg on it's HRE wheels.

    So the question is, do bucket seats really save more than 40kg???  Or perhaps the Turbo had no fuel in it.  Otherwise that's not the correct weight. 


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Alex_997TT:

    My Turbo (PCCB + LSD) weighs 1562.5kg with no driver and 1/2 tank fuel.  It includes savings of about 5kg on it's CG exhaust and a few kg on it's HRE wheels.

    So the question is, do bucket seats really save more than 40kg???  Or perhaps the Turbo had no fuel in it.  Otherwise that's not the correct weight. 


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            Alex,

    You are right-weight of that 997 Turbo is fishy. R8 5.2 FSI R Tronic weight of 1640kg is about right since official weight is 1625kg without options.

    1520kg is IMHO not possible. 1585kg is official Porsche figure. PCCBs and Bucket seats could shave 25kg, NOT 65kg. Other thing-this example of 997 Turbo is the fastest 997 Turbo ever measured by German magazine. 11.9s is very fast, faster then most 997 GT2 measured by all German magazine.

    I willl stay with my R8 5.2 FSI order. This comparison is somehow strange since weight figure for 997 Turbo are very skiny indeed...


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    KresoF1:

    Markus,

    I am puzzled little bit with 997TT weight figure. 1520kg is BELOW official Porsche figure. In fact 65kg below... Is that red 997TT with Schalensitze?


            No, the test car was equipped with regular sport seats. Maybe a misprint?


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    MKSGR:
    KresoF1:

    Markus,

    I am puzzled little bit with 997TT weight figure. 1520kg is BELOW official Porsche figure. In fact 65kg below... Is that red 997TT with Schalensitze?


            No, the test car was equipped with regular sport seats. Maybe a misprint?


    Go and email Autozeitung, I'm curious if and what they'll answer. Smiley


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    A misprint definitely unless their weighing machine didn't function well. It cannot be below the official Leergewicht DIN (1585kg)

    German speakers ask AZ to make a note of correction in the next issue.


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    You can't feel .1 or .2 secs in the seat of the pants driving . OTOH, the PLEASURE of how a car looks and feels to you should be paramount -otherwise , we'd all be driving " best STOPWATCH bang for the buck " OEM cars like factory hotted up versions of Corvettes and Mustangs .

    Smiley


    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    Did anyone really believe Audi would build a Lambo beater? Even the new LP560-4 isn't any faster than the 997 Turbo around a race track. But it really boils down to what you like - NA or Turbo, mid-engine vs rear engine, 2 seater vs 4 seater, DD or track car etc. A few seconds or kilos don't mean squat.

    Kreso - the cars you mention (Cayman S, GT3, 997.2 Turbo, Audi R8 V10) are completely different animals. Given the terrific car you already own, IMO you should wait a bit longer and enjoy it.

    Good luck.


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    KresoF1:
    Fourth and possibly the best solution for me is 997.2 GT3.

            + 1000 Smiley 7

    This will be the best sports car of the year with a big smile on every drive.


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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread/20090322/Re_R8_52_FSI_vs_997_Turbo_Auto_Zeitung/index.html?vs=0#_3

    This quote from Evo captures the essence of the 911s enduring appeal: And the new GT3 is probably the best 911 ever.

    "... I perhaps didn’t drive the 911 quite as quickly, though I could have done. The point is that you get drawn in and immersed in the process of getting the 911 to go around corners effectively. Its steering is as crisp as the Cayman’s and you can feel the nose lock onto line, which is your cue to get back on the gas. At this point in the Cayman you’re trying to feel how much rear grip there is and you’re a little wary of pushing too far because it feels a bit on edge. In contrast, the 911’s rear tyres are driven into the road as you squeeze the throttle, finding massive grip and pushing the car through the apex to the exit, nose slightly light. You know when you’ve got it just right, you can feel precisely how hard you’re pushing, and it’s the feeling of being instrumental in every part of the cornering process that makes the 911 so absorbing and intoxicating. ..."

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    Re: R8 5.2 FSI vs 997 Turbo Auto Zeitung

    KresoF1,

    I think that you should choose between buying 1 car or 2 cars:

    - 997.2 Turbo will be a complete package - DD + Track after some suspension setup

    - R8 V10FSI - also a complete package

    - GT3 - Track-oriented

    - 997.2 Carrera 4S PDK - a complete package

    - Cayman S PDK FL - a complete package but level-down for R8 and Turbo

    - Audi TT-RS - didn't you think about this Track-orinented car?

    You can combine buying a car for DD and a car for Track usage - for example, FL Carrera and TT-RS? or buying RS6 and Cayman?

    what are you demands finally?

     


     
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