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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    MKSGR:
    thuggy:

    Nissan has lost a lot of credibility.  The Fact that no one has been able to repeat their claim is what is telling.  No one has even come close, actually the opposite is true.

    Yet AUM soldiers on...

    With their recent campaign Nissan just tries to find some dumbos who they can still cheat on after the recent independant test results. Obviously, that excludes those car nuts who have a bit of judgement and experience in the sportscar world. It will be just some more weeks until SportAuto will put an end to some dreams of GTR fans... 

    I'm surpirsed they have the nerve to show up in Nurburgring after the ridicule they have made with the 7:29 circus claim.... now they have the V-Spec yet V.SAurma still hasn't been able to test a real production Euro-Spec normal GTR which seems like will never arrive to Europe... very convenient.

    A secret source has told me that the exact date in April Nissan will go do the Nring attack with the V-Spec is April 1st!

     


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    AUM:

    Any bets on the time differences same day same car?

    12 seconds? Because that was the difference between Suzuki and Von Saurma when Nissan did the 7:38. Von Saurma did 7:50.


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    AUM:

    It would be very interesting to see Sport Auto monitor and verify Suzuki's new time attack in April. Then see how close HvS could get to that time on the same day in the same car. The same with Walter in a 997 Turbo followed by HvS same day same car.

     


            That would be a very good approach indeed. Only, they would need to include a second European customer spec GTR - just to make sure that the Suzuki car is comparable to the customer cars. My concern with Suzuki doing official laps is that the car used might be non-standard (higher hp output, tweaked suspension, carefully selected tires - all those small changes that are very difficult to note even under close inspection by independant spectators).


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Carlos from Spain:

     

    A secret source has told me that the exact date in April Nissan will go do the Nring attack with the V-Spec is April 1st!

     


            SmileySmileySmiley



    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    MKSGR:
    AUM:

    It would be very interesting to see Sport Auto monitor and verify Suzuki's new time attack in April. Then see how close HvS could get to that time on the same day in the same car. The same with Walter in a 997 Turbo followed by HvS same day same car.

     


            That would be a very good approach indeed. Only, they would need to include a second European customer spec GTR - just to make sure that the Suzuki car is comparable to the customer cars. My concern with Suzuki doing official laps is that the car used might be non-standard (higher hp output, tweaked suspension, carefully selected tires - all those small changes that are very difficult to note even under close inspection by independant spectators).


            

    If Nissan wants to avoid further controversy they will have demonstrate that the GTR is standard Euro spec. Tyres can be easily checked. HP and suspension are more difficult but not impossible to check. Another approach would be for Sport Auto to source a standard GTR and invite Suzuki to compare his lap time with HvS. But I doubt they could co-ordinate this.
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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    AUM:

    If Nissan wants to avoid further controversy they will have demonstrate that the GTR is standard Euro spec. Tyres can be easily checked. HP and suspension are more difficult but not impossible to check. Another approach would be for Sport Auto to source a standard GTR and invite Suzuki to compare his lap time with HvS. But I doubt they could co-ordinate this.

    Now that is an excellent idea!   Smiley

    But I suspect that you are right, and that Nissan and T. Suzuki would suddenly find that they have no free dates in their diaries for this event. Smiley


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    fritz

    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    I second that. Would be very simple to do. SportAuto makes a blind purschase of a production car (later gets reimbursed by Nissan) or borrows a private customer's (checked previously that its fully standard) and they take it to the ring with Suzuki and do back to back laps (with Nissan's engineers being barred from 100 miles radious of the Nring).

    That would shut anybody up and its very simple to do. We would see what Suzuki's lap time would be compared to his marketing stunt lap times, and we would see Saurma's lap times to be able to compare them to other production car's HvS lap times. Every other car has been subjected to this except the GT-R. Why does this not happen after all this time? I think we all know the answer...


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Anybody has any news on the status Euro-spec GT-R BTW?


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Carlos from Spain:

    ................. (with Nissan's engineers being barred from 100 miles radious of the Nring).

    That wouldn't be necessary. They'd want to be a hundred miles away. Smiley


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    fritz

    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Carlos from Spain:

    Every other car has been subjected to this except the GT-R.

    Really?



    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Carlos from Spain:

    Anybody has any news on the status Euro-spec GT-R BTW?

    i have heard it will be in the second half of April, about the same time as the new Suzuki time attack. Once there are euro spec cars on the road in Germany there will be lots of independent tests and the true picture will emerge.

    Howver, one thing is certain from previous tests: The GTR beats all but the very fastest supercars on any track. The GT3s will no longer be the fastest sub 100k cars at the Ring.


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    But the 997.2 GT3 may be able to equal the GTR on the track. Especially if the race is for  more than 30 minutes, by which time the GTR will need a rest to cool down.




    GT-R 997 GT3 (facelift)
    Max speed 192.2 m/h (310 km/h) 193.44 m/h (312 km/h)
    0-100 km/h acceleration 3.5 4.1
    0-160 km/h acceleration 7.8 8.2
    0-200 km/h acceleration 12.4 12.3

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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Kind of weired isnt it. We are talking if an GT3 is able to catch up with a GTR. A car, half the price. A car from a line car producer for mass market.

    As I see the current market, the performance between the "sportcar" producer and the mass market is coming closer and closer together. In the future there will be the segment of the supercar-producers (i.e. Zonda) which are outstanding.

    The GT-R is a very good product, which has only two limitations, the brand and the design!


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Lars997:

    Kind of weired isnt it. We are talking if an GT3 is able to catch up with a GTR. A car, half the price. A car from a line car producer for mass market.

    As I see the current market, the performance between the "sportcar" producer and the mass market is coming closer and closer together. In the future there will be the segment of the supercar-producers (i.e. Zonda) which are outstanding.

    The GT-R is a very good product, which has only two limitations, the brand and the design!


            It is astonishing that the GTR corners faster than a Scud especially with its huge weight penalty. I really hope the new GT3 with its increased downforce can match the GTRs cornering speed. It is not good for Nissans to beat GT3s at the Ring.


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    The DR test was also run in the rain, so with 4wd GTR should have been way ahead of the 2wd GT2  since its supposedly a "faster car" in the dry; because even the GT2s claimed time is slower than claimed GTR time.


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Lars997:


    The GT-R is a very good product, which has only two limitations, the brand and the design!


    Cracking picture, (literaly) 

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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=144432?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1#24

    The 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV takes off instantly with virtually no tire spin, and the car catapults to 60 mph from a standstill in 3.7 seconds (3.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout), while the quarter-mile flies by in 11.5 seconds at 124.2 mph. This compares with our recent retest of our long-term GT-R with its new Nissan-mandated recalibrated VDC switched on, which gets to 60 mph from a standstill in 3.6 seconds (3.4 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and makes its pass through the quarter-mile in 11.7 seconds at 118.5 mph.

    We're impressed. This is a different testing venue than we have in the U.S. (not to mention a different test driver), but once the proper weather correction factors are taken into account, the SpecV appears to be running with the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. The supercharged 638-hp ZR1 does zero to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds (3.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and gets through the quarter-mile in 11.5 seconds at 128.3 mph.

    Driving the Cones
    Yet we expect to be even more impressed by the SpecV's performance in the slalom. This new suspension setup has been optimized by the Nissan engineers for a preferred mix of street and track capability, and the Bilstein dampers are not adjustable.

    These tires might look like standard 20-inch Bridgestone Potenza RE070Rs, but they're not. To withstand the extreme braking produced by the SpecV's brake setup with its carbon-ceramic rotors and Brembo callipers (six-piston units in front and four-piston items in the rear), Mizuno asked Bridgestone to add rigidity to the sidewalls and shoulders and then to produce a tread pattern that puts more rubber in contact with the road (which sounds to us somewhat like the Dunlop SP Sport tire on the standard GT-R).

    There's a titanic amount of grip. On the skid pad at Tochigi, we get 1.12g, a sensational improvement over the stock all-wheel-drive GT-R's 0.93g. This performance also edges the Corvette ZR1, which we've measured at 1.06g.

    Pushing the all-wheel-drive SpecV through the slalom, we immediately notice just how much more composed this GT-R is at speed. There's no understeer and the steering is alive with more feedback from the tires than ever before. Unfortunately there are issues with our data-logging technique, but help from some VBOX experts in Japan seems to peg our speed at 74.7 mph, almost 1 mph faster than our long-term GT-R with its Bridgestone Potenza RE070R tires. This also puts the SpecV on par with the Corvette ZR1.

    When it comes to braking from 60 mph, though, we're unable to crack 106 feet. We might not be putting enough heat into the carbon-ceramic rotors, although a stop from this speed is also largely a matter of tires, not brakes. Or maybe the problem is dust on the asphalt. Who knows?

    At Last, We Really Drive
    Mizuno next points us in the direction of the winding test track at the back of the facility. We do our first lap of Nissan's 2-mile course at about 80 percent of the SpecV's potential just to warm up the brakes. The next lap we open the throttle more and leave our braking later, diving deeper and deeper into each successive corner. And the SpecV just keeps delivering, inviting us even deeper into the turns.

    Nothing can really prepare you for the galactic braking force from carbon-ceramic brakes used to full effectiveness from high speed. We were told that up to 2 Gs of deceleration are being generated under full braking from 150 mph. Yes, it feels that brutal as your body slumps forward irresistibly when you hammer the brake pedal, like braking in a GT racing car. But the SpecV remains stable even under such extreme deceleration, lending you an eerie sense of calm even as the corner rushes toward you. You almost feel as though you are coming out of cinematic hyperspace, as the blurred scenery slows down and comes into focus. The only downside is that when the time comes to replace the rotors and pads, you'd better have $50,000 in your back pocket.

    As we exited yet another corner at Nissan's Tochigi test track, we flicked the switch on the steering wheel that engages the high-gear boost control, just to see what all the fuss is about. The switch gives you an extra 14 lb-ft of torque between 3,500 and 5,000 rpm for 80 seconds. "Just enough for a half lap of a racetrack like Fuji International Speedway," explains Mizuno.


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    The car tested by Best Motoring was privately owned so it wasn't "tuned" by Nissan:

    I don't know if it was because of the extra boost or the track temperatures but the car seemed to have some traction problems at the exit of some corners, something that the standard GT-R didn't have in the videos I have watched. The driver had to apply some opposite lock to control the rear of the car:

    Laptimes:

    Lap 1: 1:02.675

    Lap 2: 1:02.957

    Enter the pits

    Lap 3: 1:02.480

    Lap 4: 1:02.525

     By the way, in the same volume they tested the new 997 mkII models equipped with PDK (Carrera2/4 & Carrera 2S/4S).

     Fastest 0-400m:

    Carrera 2: 12,179 s

    Carrera 2S: 11,772 s

     Carrera 4: 12,166 s

    Carrera 4S: 11,833 s

     Fastest laptimes:

    Carrera 2: 1:06.248

    Carrera 2S: 1:05.350

     Carrera 4: 1:05.959

    Carrera 4S: 1:04.421





    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Interesting post Smiley

    Do you know whether the 997 versions tested were on Cup tires?


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    Carrera 2: Bridgestone Potenza R050A. F:235/40 R18; R:265/40 R18

    Carrera 2S: Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. F: 235/35 R19; R:295/30 R19

    Carrera 4: Yokohama Advan Sport. F:235/40 R18; R:295/35 R18

    Carrera 4S:  Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. F: 235/35 R19; R:305/30 R19


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Many thanks Smiley

    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    911 Carrera S's 11.772 sec for 1/4 mile time is very impressive Smiley
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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

     

     

     Fastest laptimes:

    Carrera 2: 1:06.248

    Carrera 2S: 1:05.350

     Carrera 4: 1:05.959

    Carrera 4S: 1:04.421


     

     


     


     

     


            I'am suprised that the 4s is quicker than 2s


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Me too. And almost by a second!

    Wide track + new awd? Smiley


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Could it be the LSD ? Smiley

    The 1/4mile test is very impressive for a 385hp N/a engine Smiley I can't imagine what would the turbo do with PDK Smiley


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    any video about 997 test on bestmotoring? thanks
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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    there is a preview 


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    If the C4S,which has got new AWD system,is quicker than the C2S on track,the 997.2 Turbo may finally be quikest 911.


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    BiTurbo:
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2009/03/2009-nissan-gt-r-bargain-supercar-gets-expensive.html

            The GTR is like an inkjet printer - the printer itself is cheap but the ink is where all the money is made!


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