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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
reginos:
Why they didn't do it on the Panamera that hasn't been released yet and the 2010(?) new cayenne?
I am very sceptical about this information.
Because the PDK " paddle wheel " will probably be a " special rennsport " $3000 option ,but first marketing department had to generate enough internet disgust with the standard PDK button wheel for a year to build pent up demand . Lead us 911 lemmings , oh great Porsche profit masters ....
Re: PDK with paddles - finally
MKW:
reginos:
Why they didn't do it on the Panamera that hasn't been released yet and the 2010(?) new cayenne?
I am very sceptical about this information.
Because the PDK " paddle wheel " will probably be a " special rennsport " $3000 option ,but first marketing department had to generate enough internet disgust with the standard PDK button wheel for a year to build pent up demand . Lead us 911 lemmings , oh great Porsche profit masters ....
It might come on some models (see GT2/3/RS) from the 991 generation. Talking 2012!! By then however, (with the introduction of panamera and new cayenne) the button system will be so established and owners would have gotten so accustomed to it, that the paddle issue will be redundant.
IMO it wouldn't make sense to offer it in isolation as a tequipment item or even as OE item in the middle of the life of the 997.2 model that will last for another 2-3 years maximum.
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
reginos:
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IMO it wouldn't make sense to offer it in isolation as a tequipment item or even as OE item in the middle of the life of the 997.2 model that will last for another 2-3 years maximum.
Supplier cost for PDK button/paddle steering wheel is probably the same , give or take a few dollars . Last I checked, Porsche leaves no stone unturned in pursuit of pure profit ( i.e., no marginal cost to charge $3K for an option ) -see the $1K charged to option a " sport " button for changing transmission shift logic , when most everyone else throws it in free.
Re: PDK with paddles - finally
MKW:
reginos:
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IMO it wouldn't make sense to offer it in isolation as a tequipment item or even as OE item in the middle of the life of the 997.2 model that will last for another 2-3 years maximum.
Supplier cost for PDK button/paddle steering wheel is probably the same , give or take a few dollars . Last I checked, Porsche leaves no stone unturned in pursuit of pure profit ( i.e., no marginal cost to charge $3K for an option ) -see the $1K charged to option a " sport " button for changing transmission shift logic , when most everyone else throws it in free.
I see your point, but it would make more sense if they introduced paddles on a new GT3 for example, first and the customer would be be able to "upgrade" by paying lots extra for this option on other models.
Or if paddles were offerred as option on cars with say Sport chrono plus and Sport PASM i.e. sportier specification.
But having two parallel systems without any other differentiation just appears odd. But who knows?
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Glad Porsche have finally seen sense. I can't believe the stupidity of marketing won over the smarts of engineering. At least now marketing has a chance to put their mistake right, albeit and make more money for the company in the process.
With proper paddles I might consider it when my time comes, but I will want a report from Gnil about how he feels about PDK after a longer period of ownership before I plunge into checking for that option.
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
8000RPM:
next model year pdk will be available with all new steering wheel with ferrari like paddles.
Where are these paddles mounted? Fixed to the wheel or to the steering column?
There are already 4 studs sticking from the column... 2 on each side. Now we have to deal with 3 appendices on each side? I can see one's hand hitting the windshield wiper instead of shifting up 
I think PAG got it right to begin with and is now appeasing the fad-driven critics.
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
ADias:
I can see one's hand hitting the windshield wiper instead of shifting up
I suspect that Porsche will have taken a look at how Aston, Audi, BMW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Mercedes, etc. have handled the placement of the paddles over the last 10 years or so, to avoid exactly what you suggest might happen. I can't say having driven all of them with paddles that I hit anything other than the right gear everytime. Unlike PDK where it's far too easy to shift into the wrong gear.
Hopefully Porsche has learned from its "New Coke" approach to fiddling with the shifter interface just for the sake of being different, rather than creating a genuine industry-leading improvement that would be copied by the names listed above.
Perhaps Porsche has finally listened to its market after all.
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
ALDO:
Porsche will offer paddles as a cost free option. The owner can choose between Ferrari like paddles or old tiptronic buttons.
What is the rationale of offering both? Is it for wider choice or admission that the current interface is wrong? I wonder!
Do you know when they will become available? And will they be retrofittable to current cars?
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
ALDO:
Porsche will offer paddles as a cost free option. The owner can choose between Ferrari like paddles or old tiptronic buttons.
I guess that's the first time when you can get an improvement from Porsche for free. 
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
ALDO:
Porsche will offer paddles as a cost free option. The owner can choose between Ferrari like paddles or old tiptronic buttons.
I find that hard to believe. Especially if LeChef is right and they also relocate all other controls. Would they have 2 completely different steering wheel/column setups? I do not think so.
As reginos says many like the current setup...
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
Lars997:
Great information. But same thoughts here, I guess it will be a special Rennsport version for a high "extra". Further, I guess we will not see it in the 997 but in the successor
Agree with you. A possible Clubsport option for a future GT3 with PDK. Talikng 2012.
UNLESS, they are introducing a "Carrera S Clubsport" with all the performance extras, less weight, Powerkit(?) and Paddles for customers that don't want to go to the GT3.
No point in offering two parallel systems for the "normal" cars especially since the soon to introduced Panamera has the existing system which also appears in Cayenne spy photos.
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I've seen exploded views of the PDK steering wheel. The PDK buttons are connected to central switching mechanism within the steering column. It would not be difficult to adapt the volcano gray steering wheel mount for the buttons to a paddle configuration w/o changing the steering column.. Either a new central surround w/ paddles or a most a new steering wheel could be adapted to the existing column. A newly configured airbag module would also not pose a retrofit problem. The triangular standard and round sport wheels both use the same column as we know.
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Lars997:No, from next model year, so after the summer holidays in Germany.
Great information. But same thoughts here, I guess it will be a special Rennsport version for a high "extra". Further, I guess we will not see it in the 997 but in the successor
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Rossi:
ALDO:
Porsche will offer paddles as a cost free option. The owner can choose between Ferrari like paddles or old tiptronic buttons.
I guess that's the first time when you can get an improvement from Porsche for free.
I'm still waiting for a sport chrono watch delete option and now I just realized that the Panamera got this design catastrophy too. Oh boy...
Some Porsche CEOs love this stupid watch too much and this is a fact.
As if Wiedeking is driving around in a 911...he is driven around in a Maybach and soon in a very special Panamera version.
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RC:
I'm still waiting for a sport chrono watch delete option and now I just realized that the Panamera got this design catastrophy too. Oh boy...
Funny you mentioned this Christian, that was the first thing I noticed when the interior shots were released 
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
I am indifferent to this stop watch and as a result I rarely notice when I'm in the car.
Others address their minds too much to this and other similar details and they end up being constantly irritated.
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
Ron (Houston):This damn wart is absolutely useless and one of the most stupid "inventions" Porsche ever made.
RC:
I'm still waiting for a sport chrono watch delete option and now I just realized that the Panamera got this design catastrophy too. Oh boy...
Funny you mentioned this Christian, that was the first thing I noticed when the interior shots were released
It's a shame that it will always come with Sport Chrono and Sport Chrono is a must IMO, especially in the Turbo and all PDK cars.
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Mar 28, 2009 9:03:53 PM
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Re: PDK with paddles - finally
Rossi:
Ron (Houston):This damn wart is absolutely useless and one of the most stupid "inventions" Porsche ever made.
RC:
I'm still waiting for a sport chrono watch delete option and now I just realized that the Panamera got this design catastrophy too. Oh boy...
Funny you mentioned this Christian, that was the first thing I noticed when the interior shots were released
It's a shame that it will always will come with Sport Chrono and Sport Chrono is a must IMO, especially in the Turbo and all PDK cars.
Totally agree. Its about as useful as a hawaiian-girl-wiggling-dashboard-doll. Seriously has ANYONE ever actually used the gauge on the dash for something useful? then WHY IS IT THERE!? and without even posibility of delete option
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