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    Feb 18, 2009 8:18:01 PM

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    BTW, as you like clean design (and good Hifi): do you know the small German speaker company Fischer & Fischer? They build quite excellent speakers. Their top model (Kimi Raikkonen has this model at his home, BTW) is broadly on par with Burmesters B100. So quite good stuff.

    The highlight with the Fischer speakers is that they can be painted in any color you like (mine are RAL9016 - i.e. white). And I tell you the finish and the sound qualities are really amazing Smiley
     

    Feb 18, 2009 8:56:57 PM

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    MKSGR:

    BTW, as you like clean design (and good Hifi): do you know the small German speaker company Fischer & Fischer? They build quite excellent speakers. Their top model (Kimi Raikkonen has this model at his home, BTW) is broadly on par with Burmesters B100. So quite good stuff.

    The highlight with the Fischer speakers is that they can be painted in any color you like (mine are RAL9016 - i.e. white). And I tell you the finish and the sound qualities are really amazing Smiley


    I have to look in the web for F&F.

    This isn´t small but powerfull: IMG_0128_2.jpg

    BTW, in background USM!


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    Feb 18, 2009 10:32:02 PM

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    Great stuff SmileySmiley

    Feb 19, 2009 7:29:54 AM

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    radialstrahler.......some like em some don't.
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    Feb 19, 2009 7:54:00 AM

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    MKSGR:
    andrea:

            bmw individivual isn't better than b&o?




     No, unfortunately not. To date I would argue that the B&O (Audi A8) is the best system I know.

      @RC: Audi charges some 6.800 Euros for their B&O system (if I recall correctly). That's why I thought the price of the Burmester seems OK - IF the quality is equal to or better than B&O Smiley

    BUT, only in A8 or Q7. B&O system sounds not nearly as in S5 or R8 for example as good as BMW Individual system in M3 Coupe or  M6.

            

    Feb 19, 2009 7:58:59 AM

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    MKSGR:

    BTW, as you like clean design (and good Hifi): do you know the small German speaker company Fischer & Fischer? They build quite excellent speakers. Their top model (Kimi Raikkonen has this model at his home, BTW) is broadly on par with Burmesters B100. So quite good stuff.

    The highlight with the Fischer speakers is that they can be painted in any color you like (mine are RAL9016 - i.e. white). And I tell you the finish and the sound qualities are really amazing Smiley
     


           Burmester B100 is overpriced but, it is true highend audio. B&O is not highend at all.

    My current favourite is Focal Utopia III line. Specially Scala Utopia-excellent speakers for the money(20K €/pair). Another excellent line is Revel Ultima2 line-both Ultima Salon2 and Ultima Studio2 are excellent spekers...

    http://www.focal.tm.fr/

    http://www.revelspeakers.com/

    Now back OT. 

    Feb 19, 2009 12:28:05 PM

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    MKSGR:

    BTW, as you like clean design (and good Hifi): do you know the small German speaker company Fischer & Fischer? They build quite excellent speakers. Their top model (Kimi Raikkonen has this model at his home, BTW) is broadly on par with Burmesters B100. So quite good stuff.

    The highlight with the Fischer speakers is that they can be painted in any color you like (mine are RAL9016 - i.e. white). And I tell you the finish and the sound qualities are really amazing Smiley
     


    Fischer & Fischer is very nice. Smiley

    For myself I prefer another small German speaker company: Backes & Müller. Smiley
            


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    Feb 19, 2009 1:40:36 PM

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    KresoF1:
    MKSGR:

    BTW, as you like clean design (and good Hifi): do you know the small German speaker company Fischer & Fischer? They build quite excellent speakers. Their top model (Kimi Raikkonen has this model at his home, BTW) is broadly on par with Burmesters B100. So quite good stuff.

    The highlight with the Fischer speakers is that they can be painted in any color you like (mine are RAL9016 - i.e. white). And I tell you the finish and the sound qualities are really amazing Smiley
     


           Burmester B100 is overpriced but, it is true highend audio. B&O is not highend at all.

    My current favourite is Focal Utopia III line. Specially Scala Utopia-excellent speakers for the money(20K €/pair). Another excellent line is Revel Ultima2 line-both Ultima Salon2 and Ultima Studio2 are excellent spekers...

    http://www.focal.tm.fr/

    http://www.revelspeakers.com/

    Now back OT. 


            thread is going offtopic now:

     

    I have the JMLab Nova Utopia driven by Halcro dm78's. great sound. The Utopia line is outstanding. Better than the Wilson offerings imo.


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    Feb 21, 2009 2:50:10 PM

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    Bang&Olfusen has a very different intention when it comes to media reproduction than the typical audiophile companies such as Burmester. You get so much more than a good sounding system. If that is one´s only concern, there are a variety of good and expensive products on the market.

    Still I am quite surprised that Burmester was contacted for this assignment but it should fit the target group for the Panamera. He certainly wasn´t chosen for the Veyron by coincidence either.

    By now, there are some very decent sounding systems available as a factory install and if one factors in the price  I would choose them without hesitation. I briefly listened to the B&O system at its presentation a couple years ago and, albeit complaining on a very high level, I felt it to be a bit sterile. Could be the settings but I have yet to find a car media system that sounds as warm, homogene and clear as a proper home stereo.

    Feb 21, 2009 5:01:43 PM

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    Ferdie:

    Bang&Olfusen has a very different intention when it comes to media reproduction than the typical audiophile companies such as Burmester. You get so much more than a good sounding system. If that is one´s only concern, there are a variety of good and expensive products on the market.

    Still I am quite surprised that Burmester was contacted for this assignment but it should fit the target group for the Panamera. He certainly wasn´t chosen for the Veyron by coincidence either.

    By now, there are some very decent sounding systems available as a factory install and if one factors in the price  I would choose them without hesitation. I briefly listened to the B&O system at its presentation a couple years ago and, albeit complaining on a very high level, I felt it to be a bit sterile. Could be the settings but I have yet to find a car media system that sounds as warm, homogene and clear as a proper home stereo.

    Of course, B&O cannot match a proper home hifi system. It is just the best system (from the factory) available for cars - to date Smiley I look forward to testing the Burmester system in the Panamera Smiley

            

    Feb 22, 2009 3:37:07 PM

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    Ferdie:

    Still I am quite surprised that Burmester was contacted for this assignment but it should fit the target group for the Panamera. He certainly wasn´t chosen for the Veyron by coincidence either. .

    I'm not surprised at all that they've chosen Burmester.

    Apparently Burmester has some very good ties to the Volkswagen Corp., Bentley got  a Burmester system too now.

    Now do the math: Bugatti, Bentley and now Porsche. Smiley

    My surprise actually lies somewhere else: I'm surprised to see that BOSE is still onboard.

    The "standard" HiFi on the Panamera Turbo is a BOSE system.

    So Porsche seems to go the same route as other car manufacturers before: they try to offer a decent HiFi system on their top model but they don't want to spend too much money for offering a system like Burmester as a standard option. Clever marketing, Porsche now found another "cash cow", the "audiophile". Congratulations. Smiley

            


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    Feb 23, 2009 1:36:40 AM

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    High quality HiFi for extra profits from Panamera buyers seems a sensible marketing plan.

    For the 911, though, this is the only HiFi system I care about:Smiley

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    Feb 23, 2009 5:48:50 AM

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    I wouldn't buy a 911 for the sound. My AMV8 puts it to shame...

    Feb 23, 2009 3:23:00 PM

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    SciFrog:
    I wouldn't buy a 911 for the sound. My AMV8 puts it to shame...
    neither would I buy the AMV8 for handling, the 911 puts it to undeniable shame Smiley

            


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    Feb 23, 2009 4:57:24 PM

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    Italo:
    SciFrog:
    I wouldn't buy a 911 for the sound. My AMV8 puts it to shame...
    neither would I buy the AMV8 for handling, the 911 puts it to undeniable shame Smiley

            


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            Although the 911 might handle better, putting to shame is exagerating, they ARE in the same performance league...

    Feb 23, 2009 5:00:21 PM

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    SciFrog:
    Italo:
    SciFrog:
    I wouldn't buy a 911 for the sound. My AMV8 puts it to shame...
    neither would I buy the AMV8 for handling, the 911 puts it to undeniable shame Smiley

            


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            Although the 911 might handle better, putting to shame is exagerating, they ARE in the same performance league...

     

    nope, they are totally not......while i find the AMV8 gorgeous and great sounding it does not perform as it should/could

            


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    Feb 23, 2009 5:07:05 PM

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    AMV8 4.7 7.57 at NBR? Not fast enough? (corsa tires from the factory unlike 997.1)

    For the record the 911TT was 7.54 when it came out.

    The 996TT was 7.56...

    Fast enough in my book (I left out GT3 as it is a track oriented car).

    Feb 23, 2009 6:47:39 PM

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    997.2 Carrera S Ring time is 7.50min-factory time with Cup tires confirmed by Sport Auto. 7s on the Ring is VERY big difference.

    Not to mentioned that AM V8 Vantage 4.7 Hockenheim time is not brilliant at all...

    Aston's are very nice but, technically dates as possible cars IMHO.

    YES, I am Audi and Porsche fan and true sportscar enthusiast.

    Feb 23, 2009 7:40:44 PM

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    KresoF1:

    YES, I am Audi and Porsche fan and true sportscar enthusiast.

    Hey Kreso, in truth you are a real AUDDICT. Smiley Smiley

    (that comes from "addict" and "Audi") 


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    Rossi:
    KresoF1:

    YES, I am Audi and Porsche fan and true sportscar enthusiast.

    Hey Kreso, in truth you are a reas AUDDICT. Smiley Smiley

    (that comes from "addict" and "Audi") 


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    Hmm... I do not think so. Smiley

    I think that we both are true sportscar enthusiasts. Smiley

            

    Feb 24, 2009 2:13:14 PM

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    SciFrog:
    I wouldn't buy a 911 for the sound. My AMV8 puts it to shame...

    If the 997 has the PSE, things look different.

    I love for example the deep V8 sound of my wife's BMW M3 Cab, it is a very nice sound, especially when you have the top open. I still prefer the sound of the 997 PSE to be honest.

    I guess it is a matter of personal taste and/or preference.

            


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    Feb 24, 2009 3:18:37 PM

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    Looks like high-end interior & audio :

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    Feb 24, 2009 3:23:15 PM

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    Great pictures Misha. Looks indeed very high-level!

    Feb 24, 2009 3:24:20 PM

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    It looks very good indeed! 

    I'm just not a fan of the color.

    Feb 24, 2009 5:12:07 PM

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    Spyderidol:

    It looks very good indeed! 

    I'm just not a fan of the color.


            same here - I would never take this!

    Feb 24, 2009 6:41:41 PM

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    very nice looking interior (color aside)
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    Carlos from Spain:
    very nice looking interior (color aside)
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    The brown should be a bit more brown, a little bit warmer and everything would be fine. Even the wood looks great then. Smiley

    Something a bit more like this and everything would be perfect (I really wonder why German car makers never get these brown colours right?):



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    this I like better Smiley

    Another very nice brown is the Cayenne MK-II's new Chesnut brown but comes out different depending on the photos, but in real life is refreshing and elegant.


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    RC:
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    Still I am quite surprised that Burmester was contacted for this assignment but it should fit the target group for the Panamera. He certainly wasn´t chosen for the Veyron by coincidence either. .

    I'm not surprised at all that they've chosen Burmester.

    Apparently Burmester has some very good ties to the Volkswagen Corp., Bentley got  a Burmester system too now.

    Now do the math: Bugatti, Bentley and now Porsche.


    Yes, I am aware of the ties to Volkswagen Group although the Bentley deal comes as a surprise for me. Hadn´t heard about that before.

    B&O as well as Bose have marketed their products via technology and research, less so by the exclusivity and fabrication that Burmester and the likes aimed at. The Veyron was certainly sold in numbers that should be more appropriate to a brand like Burmester. As a bottom line: I am simply wondering how much of Burmester´s technology can be carried over into a serial-production vehicle such as the Panamera... Smiley

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