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Feb 10, 2009 10:14:28 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: intouch1

Re: Panamera - Not a good start

Some news about the weight read in another forum:

Panamera Turbo with AWD and 7-gear-PDK: 1.950 kg
Panamera V6 with RWD and manual: 1.780 kg

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Feb 11, 2009 12:54:40 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Panamera - Not a good start

Rossi:

Some news about the weight read in another forum:

Panamera Turbo with AWD and 7-gear-PDK: 1.950 kg
Panamera V6 with RWD and manual: 1.780 kg

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Considering its size and drivetrain (the PDK is inherently heavy and all-wheel-drive also adds at least 50 kg), this isn´t too bad. An RS6 weighs 150 kg more.

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Feb 11, 2009 3:16:18 AM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Panamera - Not a good start

Rossi:

Some news about the weight read in another forum:

Panamera Turbo with AWD and 7-gear-PDK: 1.950 kg
Panamera V6 with RWD and manual: 1.780 kg

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If this turns out to be accurate I shall say WOW!!!! Smiley

impressive.

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Feb 11, 2009 7:31:29 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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that will result in some really great performance.....wow
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Feb 11, 2009 9:59:30 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Panamera - Not a good start

Rossi:

Some news about the weight read in another forum:

Panamera Turbo with AWD and 7-gear-PDK: 1.950 kg
Panamera V6 with RWD and manual: 1.780 kg

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Thats heavier than the Mercedes CLS (a brand not precisely known for its weight savings), if we are talking about unladen CE weights which I pressume, according to manufacturer, the CLS63AMG is 1910kg, while the V6 Panaera can be compared to the 292HP CLS 350CGI which is 1735Kg, and this with a heavy 7-gear torque converter tranny, not manual like the Pan V6.

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Feb 11, 2009 11:32:14 AM

KF: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1713, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 23, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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My substitute
Smiley

New Quattroporte Sport GTS. Delivered today. The sound is amazing.

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Feb 11, 2009 12:03:25 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: KF

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Hatch does add weight.

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Feb 11, 2009 12:30:44 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: KMM

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Great substitute KF! Light car, sporty size! Like it!

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Feb 11, 2009 12:31:21 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: KF

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A beautiful car Smiley

Many congrats Smiley

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Feb 11, 2009 1:17:50 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

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Stylish and sporty, congrats KF Smiley

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Feb 11, 2009 1:34:07 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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congrats KF 4porte is a beautiful car......i am sure however, that the panamera will be the better car....
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Feb 11, 2009 2:39:46 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: intouch1

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Great choice KF, acutally the best choice you could make! Smiley

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Feb 11, 2009 7:32:52 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: Rossi

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end of press-embargo this night,so tomorrow we will have interior pics,specs etc
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Feb 11, 2009 7:55:54 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: andrea

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hope to see something interesting...things that till now,i never find on the Panamera Smiley

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Feb 12, 2009 1:11:09 AM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: Super Darius

Feb 12, 2009 1:17:05 AM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: Enzo II

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Panamera S

4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.6s (5.4s PDK)
285kmh (283kmh PDK)
12.5 l/100km (10.8 PDK)

1.770kg
94.500€

Panamera 4S PDK
4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.0s
282kmh
11.1 l/100km

1.860kg
102.200€

Panamera Turbo PDK
4.8 500cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 4.2s
303kmh
12.2 l/100km

1.970kg
135.100€

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Feb 12, 2009 5:46:15 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Enzo II

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Sorry guys, but I quite like this car! Smiley

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Feb 12, 2009 6:02:40 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Spyderidol

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I am in love and I think I made the the right choice on picking this car, the performance for the Turbo is great!

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Feb 12, 2009 6:06:36 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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i finally found the word to best describe this car: teutonic
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Feb 12, 2009 6:07:52 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: intouch1

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someone pls confirm that black thing on the center console is NOT a cupholder Smiley

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Feb 12, 2009 6:52:17 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: intouch1

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I like the interior.

Three comments:

1. - the cupholder looks really funny. Why to put it there. Instead they could have removed the gear shift and made it more to the front

2. - the middle tunnel is to high for my taste

3. - check the picture - it seems that this gauge is digital!

and ..... why to put black carpets in a creme colored interior? Does this make it bi-colored???

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Feb 12, 2009 7:26:02 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Enzo II

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Enzo911:

Panamera S

4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.6s (5.4s PDK)
285kmh (283kmh PDK)
12.5 l/100km (10.8 PDK)

1.770kg
94.500€

Panamera 4S PDK
4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.0s
282kmh
11.1 l/100km

1.860kg
102.200€

Panamera Turbo PDK
4.8 500cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 4.2s
303kmh
12.2 l/100km

1.970kg
135.100€

BTW, it is 700Nm for Turbo. BUT, IMO 4.2s is not possible for 2T car with 500ps/700Nm-PDK or not.

...and Price is as high as RC correctly pointed out. With nice option Panamera Turbo is at 155K € level in Germany(with Mwst.).

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Feb 12, 2009 7:54:18 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: Panamera - Not a good start

KresoF1:

Enzo911:

Panamera S

4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.6s (5.4s PDK)
285kmh (283kmh PDK)
12.5 l/100km (10.8 PDK)

1.770kg
94.500€

Panamera 4S PDK
4.8 400cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 5.0s
282kmh
11.1 l/100km

1.860kg
102.200€

Panamera Turbo PDK
4.8 500cv DFI
500nm
0-100: 4.2s
303kmh
12.2 l/100km

1.970kg
135.100€

BTW, it is 700Nm for Turbo. BUT, IMO 4.2s is not possible for 2T car with 500ps/700Nm-PDK or not.

...and Price is as high as RC correctly pointed out. With nice option Panamera Turbo is at 155K € level in Germany(with Mwst.).

4.2 for the Turbo would be extreemly fast . Lets see what the next numbers will say .

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Feb 12, 2009 8:27:12 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

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Way to expensive I would say!

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Feb 12, 2009 8:51:37 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Lars997

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Lars997:
Way to expensive I would say!

And these are the base prices and we all know Porsche's option philosophy... Smiley

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Feb 12, 2009 10:16:07 AM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: Rossi

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Since when are 4WD versions (0.4 seconds) faster than their RWD counterparts?

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Feb 12, 2009 10:22:09 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

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Rossi:

Lars997:
Way to expensive I would say!
And these are the base prices and we all know Porsche's option philosophy...

That is exactly what I mean. A PanameraS is would easily go up to 125 k€. For this I can get a decent 7series and a 1series on top!

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Feb 12, 2009 10:23:15 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: neunelf

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neunelf:
Since when are 4WD versions (0.4 seconds) faster than their RWD counterparts?

Yupp - I seen that to. There must be something wrong with it. 0.4 seconds is a lot!

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Feb 12, 2009 10:23:42 AM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: Lars997

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Wohoo 0-100km/is blistering fast for a car that size, and remember that Porsche are often a tiny bit conservative with their figures so it wouldn't surprise me if some magazines will be able to clock 4.1 seconds. Now where is the order guide since I suspect that the cars will come pretty loaded at those prices, though the dummy buttons will leave room for upgrading.

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Feb 12, 2009 10:34:48 AM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: Panamera - Official Pictures & Specs

With sports chrono package the car perform the following

Panamera S: 0-100km/h 5.2sec
Panamera 4S: 0-100km/h 4.8sec
Panamera Turbo: 0-100km/h 4.0sec

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