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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Misha011:
Lars , my believe is that 911 must be recognizable , even , from the Moon .
Very funny, and very true.
CGT or 918 or Panamera Coupe lights are fine... in their respective applications. But they are different cars. Heck, even the Boxster looks good... as a Boxter.
I pray that they stick with roundish unless they come up with something that works better but that none of us have thought about.
Oh, and picture #2 for sure 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
I do not disagree that the image is "stale" - the word is a bit strong - BUT, I have yet to see an acceptable alternative; NO to change for change's sake, but you have to admit that the 911 design does work. That is why I like the round lights, not because they are traditional. I am not stuck on tradition.
The 911 is an organic shape that is the quintessential form-follows-function; peel back the layers like an onion and you realize that the shape could not be any different. The only way to get a different shape is to design a different car.
That's why we're reduced to discussing this light and that light.
BTW, nothing wrong with the Beetle... well maybe it is a bit effeminate 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Thanks again Misha. I think the square one are pretty great.
The thing is, these round front lights are just appear like having a facelift instead a new model. On your drawing the square really flows with the new front. I really could imagine something like that. They might be a bit smaller, but the shape - I would make a bet - will not be the same as we have it on the 997!
Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Lars997:
Thanks again Misha. I think the square one are pretty great.
The thing is, these round front lights are just appear like having a facelift instead a new model. On your drawing the square really flows with the new front. I really could imagine something like that. They might be a bit smaller, but the shape - I would make a bet - will not be the same as we have it on the 997!
Lars , little rework on front lights , for you . Me - I am staying with round one 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
On those front lights you can see that only the "beamer" in the middle is looking through, the rest are stickers to confuse. Actually inside that light you can see that the beamer is kind of isolated in black plastic, so it looks as the "real" light is even smaller 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Wonderbar:
Folks, I love Porsche. Have three now. But I gotta say, IMHO, this prototype looks boring. Same old, same old. Hope I am wrong when the new 991 comes out...
Me too. I am especially unhappy that they made the 911 even bigger when they have so many bigger alternatives now with the Panamera and Panamera Coupe (to come) that serve that purpose.
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Lars997:
On those front lights you can see that only the "beamer" in the middle is looking through, the rest are stickers to confuse. Actually inside that light you can see that the beamer is kind of isolated in black plastic, so it looks as the "real" light is even smaller
One other consideration -- it would seem reasonable to assume that Porsche will continue to differentiate between the front lights on the 911-range and the Cayman-range...
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
I would say with cayman and panamera plus need to reduce CO2, it would be prime time for a lighter a more compact 911. All the technology but in a more condensed package, they could also ditch the pointless child back seats!
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
I wish it would be though.... it needs to shed 300kg ASAP! back to 993 size and engines ranging from 3.4L to 4.0L flat 6. no playing with other things, leave that for the cayman, panamera coupe.
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Atzporsche:
I wish it would be though.... it needs to shed 300kg ASAP! back to 993 size and engines ranging from 3.4L to 4.0L flat 6. no playing with other things, leave that for the cayman, panamera coupe.
300 kg? How on earth should that be possible? 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
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Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
luxury + safety = lots of weight 
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
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Joost:
Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
luxury + safety = lots of weight
People often consider the safety aspect and the corresponding additional weight as something unnecessary and contrary to automotive purity. But if you see how even smaller cars stand up to severe accidents then you can see that it's all worth it.
Where do you prefer to have your high speed accident? In the "heavy" 997 Carrera or in the lightweight 1100kg "pure" '80s Carrera?
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
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Rossi:
Joost:
Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
luxury + safety = lots of weight
People often consider the safety aspect and the corresponding additional weight as something unnecessary and contrary to automotive purity. But if you see how even smaller cars stand up to severe accidents then you can see that it's all worth it.
Where do you prefer to have your high speed accident? In the "heavy" 997 Carrera or in the lightweight 1100kg "pure" '80s Carrera?
Well said.
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Rossi:
Joost:
Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
luxury + safety = lots of weight
a lot less luxury + safety = a bit more weight
I think Cayman should fill this role.
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
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Joost:
Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.
luxury + safety = lots of weight
a lot less luxury + safety = a bit more weight
I think Cayman should fill this role.
On the Cayman and Boxster things like automatic climate control and PCM incl navigation that add weight are optional extras
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
I tried to undress(by airbrush) the mule from the camouflage in this picture, you can see the result below. What I get is not much different from 997 imo, but there is still a lot of ways to go with the design considering the amount of camouflage. I guess we will see most changes on the back of the car..
Judging from all the spy pictures/videos the car isn't going to be much bigger than the 997.
The car looks wider, flatter and sleeker, that makes it look bigger than it actually is...
Please, discuss 
We can make changes as this thread grows longer!
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Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics...
Thanks guys, Switched off the headlights 
Rossi,
sure we'll see changes all over the car! But I meant most revolutionary changes will most likely be found on the rear end.
FFaust,
I agree the rendering still looks too much like the 997, Maybe I took the wrong angle for the picture?
Anyone have suggestions for more differentiating "elements" ??
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