I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP
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996 X50 Turbo530 HP H&R suspension Pagid yellow pads
Thanks for sharing your impressions!
If I understood well your conclusions are that the speed of the GT-R is due mainly to its AWD system and it is too clinical to be pure sports car fun.
BTW, what was your time, and how does this compare to your 996Turbo+?
reginos:
Thanks for sharing your impressions!
If I understood well your conclusions are that the speed of the GT-R is due mainly to its AWD system and it is too clinical to be pure sports car fun.
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. But there are other reasons for its speed through corners. The whole engineering and technological package is very advanced. I would not describe the GTR as clinical, it is lots of fun. But it is a similar concept to my 996 Turbo (although much superior) and I now prefer RWD cars.
AUM:
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT.
It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on.
I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.
reginos:
AUM:
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT.
It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.
The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars. Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line?
http://www.excellence-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html
Present: 2005 STi, 2002 M Coupe
Future: 2009 Cayman S - pending; 2010? Audi RS5 ??
4trac:
reginos:
AUM:
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT.
It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.
The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars. Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line?
4trac:
reginos:
AUM:
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT.
It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.
The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars. Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line?
http://www.excellence-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html
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Present: 2005 STi, 2002 M Coupe
Future: 2009 Cayman S - pending; 2010? Audi RS5 ??
From the article
"Unlike the 997 Turbo, the new C4 and C4S come with the electro-magnetic center diff as standard equipment. Why is this trick diff optional on the $128,700 Turbo? Head of all-wheel-drive development Dr. Erhard Mössle suggests that’s a question better put to marketing, but indicates Weis sach is hard at work on the Turbo — mumbling something that sounds like “Nissan GT-R.” We look forward to the fruit of those labors, but Mössle can be proud of what his team has achieved in the latest C4."
AUM - yes I saw that comment as well, but that was also confusing as they state that the electric center diff. is optional on the 997TT. I claim no expertise on the TT though I do follow its development, but I thought that the only driveline option on this car is the mechanical rear axle differential lock - that is not related to the center differential that controls the front/rear split and reactions.
But in any case it seems that both the mechanical and the computer-brain parts of Porsche's system will now be pushed to greater levels - as you have been stating all along, the GT-R is good for Porsche fans for this reason alone.
Present: 2005 STi, 2002 M Coupe
Future: 2009 Cayman S - pending; 2010? Audi RS5 ??
4trac:
AUM - yes I saw that comment as well, but that was also confusing as they state that the electric center diff. is optional on the 997TT. I claim no expertise on the TT though I do follow its development, but I thought that the only driveline option on this car is the mechanical rear axle differential lock - that is not related to the center differential that controls the front/rear split and reactions.
But in any case it seems that both the mechanical and the computer-brain parts of Porsche's system will now be pushed to greater levels - as you have been stating all along, the GT-R is good for Porsche fans for this reason alone.
Very correct, no option for different central diff on either turbo or C4. Only rear mechanical LSD is optional on turbo but standard on C4.
The GT-R publicity, even overstretched IMO, will only bring good results because the Porsche engineers will have to stop being complacent and work harder.
AUM:
The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. But there are other reasons for its speed through corners...
...AWS (All Wheel Steering), may be,...
:)
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