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Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
The 911 should be faster I think...
I remember reading about a Car&Driver(??) test between
A 996 Turbo S Cabriolet, Gallardo, F430, Ford GT, DB9 and
a Merc SL65.
That Porsche was comfortably faster than the Ferrari and
the new 997 Turbo will be even faster me thinks..
I remember reading about a Car&Driver(??) test between
A 996 Turbo S Cabriolet, Gallardo, F430, Ford GT, DB9 and
a Merc SL65.
That Porsche was comfortably faster than the Ferrari and
the new 997 Turbo will be even faster me thinks..
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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intouch1 said:
What does everybody think about 997TT vs F430 F1 performance?
Published specs say the TT will be faster accelerating 0-200 and in the 1/4 mile.
Anybody experienced the F430 and can give me an idea ?
In terms of performance, there is no doubt whatsoever that the Turbo will be faster, in a straight line and round a track (for a small number of laps though!).
Having said that, these are two cars with very different philosophies. A very high revving "racey" engine compared to a Turbo charged torque master.
It's not because the Turbo is faster that it's the most gratifying. But this is not the subject of this post.
In my opinion, these two cars are not competitors but rather, they complement eachother very well.
Personally, if I had to chose between the two, I'd take the Ferrari (with carbon brakes though).
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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BC997J said:
(for a small number of laps though!)
why so???
Because Francois isn't aware that the new and larger PCCB brake for the 997 Turbo is good for a little bit more rounds than he thinks, same applies to the new developped tires.
Yes, the Turbo is no lightweight car. But the 996 Turbo hasn't been lightweight either and I can show you guys some pretty impressive track results from Club Racing events with stock brake system and stock tires.
Regarding the F430 vs. 997 Turbo performance: why don't we wait for a review first, maybe even a comparison review of both together?! I hope the 997 Turbo is faster and I actually think it is but the F430 is a great car too, so maybe we should just wait for real life test figures before we just to conclusions.
Sport Auto will do a 997 Turbo Supertest, I know that for sure. If we're lucky, it may be published around June/July 2006.
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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RC said:Quote:
BC997J said:
(for a small number of laps though!)
why so???
Because Francois isn't aware that the new and larger PCCB brake for the 997 Turbo is good for a little bit more rounds than he thinks, same applies to the new developped tires.
wasn't it about the turbo's small fuel tank?
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BC997J said:
(for a small number of laps though!)
why so???
Because Francois isn't aware that the new and larger PCCB brake for the 997 Turbo is good for a little bit more rounds than he thinks, same applies to the new developped tires.
With PCCB, you can go on til the pads give up which is... a very long time!
I was indeed referring to the 200 kgs plus the Turbo carries over the F430.
Larger PCCB brakes will put more constraints on the tyres so although it will reduce braking distance and unsprung weight the problem lies elsewhere.
The brake themselves, I'm not worried at all, they will have supreme endurance (watch out for for pads though!).
But I wasn't aware at all of new developed tyres for the Turbo and it will be a plus. People tend to underestimate the importance of good tyres. With a car like the Turbo, the tyres will give up way before the brakes do (especially PCCB).
This is good news
Anyway, those cars are not track cars, they are fit for fun amateur trackdays and you rarely drive for more than 30 minutes in a row, time in which a 200 kgs difference is not long enough to create any significant offset in tyre performance.
As for range Zzoba, the Turbo's tank is approx. 30% smaller but with two cylinders less I think it's also more efficient than the V8, so it's probably par here.
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
The F430 is a serious competitor in terms of acceleration in the straight line with many tests achieving 0-160km/h time in the range between 7.9 and 8.4 seconds.The manual 997 Turbo should do it in 8.4, but that's only mfr's claim(the actual time might(and I hope) be better). We have got to wait for some tests.
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zzboba said:
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As for range Zzoba, the Turbo's tank is approx. 30% smaller but with two cylinders less I think it's also more efficient than the V8, so it's probably par here.
my posting was ironic -- the F430 is eating gas like crazy. only a 150l tank would help
yeah I heard too the F430 had a ferotious appetite for petrol!
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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nberry said:
One thing you can take to the bank. The TT will have better perf. numbers and Von Saurma will better the 430 time on the Ring by at least 6 sec.
However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
I can. I would love to buy a 430 (and I will once I can afford it), but I'd always take the Turbo over it.
Feb 21, 2006 3:27:24 PM
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Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
In terms of practicality, I would take the 997TT because I intend to drive it every day (like I do with my 997S). I'm not sure that I would drive a F430 to work every day. The F430 would be a weekend car for me, if I was to purchase one. And, I know for my own experience, that a weekend car alot of times doesn't get driven. On the weekends, I'm pretty busy running around doing errands and taking my kid places. My 997S when I got it new was a weekend car and there would be weekends when it would just sit in the garage. There were times when the car wouldn't be used for up to 3 weeks in a row. So, I'm a little weary about having a "weekend car". That's just my opinion.
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zzboba said:
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As for range Zzoba, the Turbo's tank is approx. 30% smaller but with two cylinders less I think it's also more efficient than the V8, so it's probably par here.
my posting was ironic -- the F430 is eating gas like crazy. only a 150l tank would help
yeah I heard too the F430 had a ferotious appetite for petrol!
Worst than all of them is the new M5. That thing guzzles gas like nothing else. It's worst than my F430, CS, and CGT! After 3,000 miles it's getting about 9.5 mpg! That's with mostly freeway driving. And to add insult to injury the tank is only 18.5 gallons so you have to make a pit stop every 200 miles or so. Still...It's one hell of car!
Amir
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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nberry said:
However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
The 430 is one terrific car. But Nick, I would actually take the 997TT (price independent). It just appeals to me more. Maybe because I'm a boring person...
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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rhino said:
Where can we find that Ruf video?
The only Ruf 997 video I've seen so far was this one of the RT12:
Ruf RT12 Video
It's a very impressive car.
In response to the question, the 430 is a fantastic car. It's stunning to look at and I'm sure more involving to drive, but I strongly believe that the 997TT will be the faster car, both in straight line performance and on the track.
Feb 22, 2006 12:10:13 AM
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Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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nberry said:
One thing you can take to the bank. The TT will have better perf. numbers and Von Saurma will better the 430 time on the Ring by at least 6 sec.
Even the the GT3 will trounce the F430 as long as Von Sumer is behind the wheel.
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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rhino said:
Where can we find that Ruf video?
The only Ruf 997 video I've seen so far was this one of the RT12:
Ruf RT12 Video
It's a very impressive car.
In response to the question, the 430 is a fantastic car. It's stunning to look at and I'm sure more involving to drive, but I strongly believe that the 997TT will be the faster car, both in straight line performance and on the track.
The "base"
RUF 997TT uses their modded KKK turbos with peak HP at 560, peak torque at 790Nm, this one adevertises 0-100kph in 3.7, top speed of 219mph. They also have a 3.8L model, true dry-sumped, peak HP at 650, peak torque at 870Nm. I recall one of the US rags. panned it, and it was good for 0-100kph in 3.2, if my memory hasn't failed me. But I still think the VTG technology is going to be a hit, it has so much potential, even with all the electronic wizardry in the new PTM and AWD transaxle, the computer engineers will figure it out and the tuners will play with them. But the reliable ones will be more complicated and more expensive.
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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nberry said:
One thing you can take to the bank. The TT will have better perf. numbers and Von Saurma will better the 430 time on the Ring by at least 6 sec.
However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
The only reason I can think of is price, the Porsche is more affordable.
The performance of the 2 cars is so close it does not make any difference; it makes me laugh when people talk of a few seconds difference on an 8 minute racetrack like it's of huge importance.
Like Fanch said in a post earlier, Porsche is almost invisible next to Ferrari.
Porsche make great everyday sportscars but if I had to choose I would take the 430, the Porsche is too sterile and conservative for me.
Feb 22, 2006 6:54:22 AM
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Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
Nck, maybe you should rephrase that question to include..
"if both cars were equally priced....would you if you could"
Im more worried about the new Turbos image in the press and the impact of that on Porsche product planners.
Its not too difficult to imagine auto journalists extolling the virtues of the 997TT VTG and its user friendly automatic, and at the same time claiming its automatic's performance makes the Turbo more SL easy like to drive than
past Turbos, and that its performance is now accessable by any and all menopausal customers with recent divorce papers.
The automatic 997TT might be SO good, that no one(sportscar
people) will attach the same emotion to it anymore because it could become too popular with the shiftless luxury image crowd.
"if both cars were equally priced....would you if you could"
Im more worried about the new Turbos image in the press and the impact of that on Porsche product planners.
Its not too difficult to imagine auto journalists extolling the virtues of the 997TT VTG and its user friendly automatic, and at the same time claiming its automatic's performance makes the Turbo more SL easy like to drive than
past Turbos, and that its performance is now accessable by any and all menopausal customers with recent divorce papers.
The automatic 997TT might be SO good, that no one(sportscar
people) will attach the same emotion to it anymore because it could become too popular with the shiftless luxury image crowd.
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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nberry said:
One thing you can take to the bank. The TT will have better perf. numbers and Von Saurma will better the 430 time on the Ring by at least 6 sec.
However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
I would...
Whats the F430's time around the ring nberry??
Re: 911TT Vs. F430 Performance
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vinnie said:Quote:
nberry said:
One thing you can take to the bank. The TT will have better perf. numbers and Von Saurma will better the 430 time on the Ring by at least 6 sec.
However, honestly can anyone take the 997TT over the 430 even though it may have better performance?
The only reason I can think of is price, the Porsche is more affordable.
The performance of the 2 cars is so close it does not make any difference; it makes me laugh when people talk of a few seconds difference on an 8 minute racetrack like it's of huge importance.
Like Fanch said in a post earlier, Porsche is almost invisible next to Ferrari.
Porsche make great everyday sportscars but if I had to choose I would take the 430, the Porsche is too sterile and conservative for me.
I don't like flashy cars. Performance is better on the 997TT and that's what matters to me (even a few tenths are still a few tenths). Not to mention reliability.
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