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ADias said:
Is the 997 Turbo's tip performance advantage (over the manual) due to an improved transmission design per se? or is it due to transmission/engine control synergies?
If the advantage is due to an improved tranny design, what are the chances of that design migrating to the Carrera/Carrera S?
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ADias said:
Is the 997 Turbo's tip performance advantage (over the manual) due to an improved transmission design per se? or is it due to transmission/engine control synergies?
If the advantage is due to an improved tranny design, what are the chances of that design migrating to the Carrera/Carrera S?
1. both
2. none
The Tiptronic on the 997 has already been improved. I don't know if you've driven a version with Sport Chrono package, it is a very nice combo.
We still don't have accurate information if the Tiptronic on the 997 Turbo is still Mercedes manufactured or if Porsche took the plunge and changed to Aisin like they did with the Cayenne Tiptronic and the 997/987 manual gearboxes.
Let some water flow down the river like we say here and we'll get more accurate information about the "Tiptronic Wonder" on the 997 Turbo.
A very bad compromise in a sports car.
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RC said:Quote:
ADias said:
Is the 997 Turbo's tip performance advantage (over the manual) due to an improved transmission design per se? or is it due to transmission/engine control synergies?
If the advantage is due to an improved tranny design, what are the chances of that design migrating to the Carrera/Carrera S?
1. both
2. none
The Tiptronic on the 997 has already been improved. I don't know if you've driven a version with Sport Chrono package, it is a very nice combo.
We still don't have accurate information if the Tiptronic on the 997 Turbo is still Mercedes manufactured or if Porsche took the plunge and changed to Aisin like they did with the Cayenne Tiptronic and the 997/987 manual gearboxes.
Let some water flow down the river like we say here and we'll get more accurate information about the "Tiptronic Wonder" on the 997 Turbo.
I do hope (at least) that the 997TT Tiptronic has been massively improved as compared to the 997 Tiptronic.
I have driven a 997 with Tiptronic once and I was very disappointed
The performance was not even close to modern DSG gear boxes. Downshifts were particularly annoying
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MKSGR said:Quote:
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ADias said:
Is the 997 Turbo's tip performance advantage (over the manual) due to an improved transmission design per se? or is it due to transmission/engine control synergies?
If the advantage is due to an improved tranny design, what are the chances of that design migrating to the Carrera/Carrera S?
1. both
2. none
The Tiptronic on the 997 has already been improved. I don't know if you've driven a version with Sport Chrono package, it is a very nice combo.
We still don't have accurate information if the Tiptronic on the 997 Turbo is still Mercedes manufactured or if Porsche took the plunge and changed to Aisin like they did with the Cayenne Tiptronic and the 997/987 manual gearboxes.
Let some water flow down the river like we say here and we'll get more accurate information about the "Tiptronic Wonder" on the 997 Turbo.
I do hope (at least) that the 997TT Tiptronic has been massively improved as compared to the 997 Tiptronic.
I have driven a 997 with Tiptronic once and I was very disappointed
The performance was not even close to modern DSG gear boxes. Downshifts were particularly annoying
Wait for the PDK. In the mean time, you can safely enjoy your 996TTS, knowing that it's just as fast as a 997TT 6spd
Feb 18, 2006 5:06:34 PM
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MKSGR said:
I do hope (at least) that the 997TT Tiptronic has been massively improved as compared to the 997 Tiptronic.
I have driven a 997 with Tiptronic once and I was very disappointed
The performance was not even close to modern DSG gear boxes. Downshifts were particularly annoying
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devo said:
Sorry, But imho I have a hard time believing that in the real world a 996ttS will perform as well as a manual 997tt. I believe some people are not giving the 6spd 997tt a fair asessment.
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trip said:
There have been no independent tests of the 997tt 6spd or tiptronic. I am sure that the times for the 6spd will improve upon Porsche's claims. I cant remember the official Porsche performance numbers for a 996tts, but I believe they were much slower than those of the 997tt manual.
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VKSF said:
Can we reliably use 0-100KPH and 0-160KPH times to infer 100-160KPH elasticity...esp if 997TT supposedly substantially reduces turbo lag seen in mid-range launches?
Also, what adjustment does one need to make for fact most manual tranny owners won't choose/are actually incapable of reliably shifting as quickly as needed to achieve factory/car mag times....vs the more duplicable Tip times?
Feb 18, 2006 11:10:50 PM
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SoCal Alan said:
WTF?
What he said...
) advantage over previous 6-speed manual,Feb 19, 2006 5:43:26 AM
Feb 19, 2006 8:58:17 AM
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SoCal Alan said:
Thanks for the numbers, Crash.
Now, let's see if I've got this straight...
From 996TT to 997TT (0-160 kmh)
Manual 9.3 down to 8.4 (0.9 sec improvement)
Tip 10.4 down to 7.8 (2.6 sec improvement)
WTF?
Feb 19, 2006 2:04:40 PM
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SoCal Alan said:
... YOUR FIRED!
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MKSGR said:
But look at the specs... That's part of the story why I am so disappointed by the 997TT (the other part is the lack of PDK and the continued use of the "old" Tiptronic technology)
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