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How come 0 to 60 mph is 3.4 secs and 0 to 62 mph is 3.7 secs???
I know this is nitpicking but that's what everyone's been doing about the Turbo's numbers lately so I'm asking, why a third of a second to gain 0.2 mph?
Usually, it's 0.2 secs which I found rather long already.
I mean, shouln't 0 to 60 and 0 to 62 mph times be almost identical? At least to the decimal of second?
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So if you're buying the new 997 Turbo or not, this is your personal decision. But do you know many cars on the street which can hit 60 mph/100 kph in 3.4/3.7 seconds EACH and EVERY time from standstill? I don't. Yes, I'm still not happy with what Porsche brought up. But it could have been worse
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zzboba said:
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How come 0 to 60 mph is 3.4 secs and 0 to 62 mph is 3.7 secs???
I know this is nitpicking but that's what everyone's been doing about the Turbo's numbers lately so I'm asking, why a third of a second to gain 0.2 mph?
Usually, it's 0.2 secs which I found rather long already.
I mean, shouln't 0 to 60 and 0 to 62 mph times be almost identical? At least to the decimal of second?
i was wondering about this one as well!
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zzboba said:
what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
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zzboba said:
what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
Absolutely true. There is a similar story with Ferrari I'm not gonna go into. But Porsche is in the business of making profits not pleasing costumers.
PDK's probably ready since a long time but since it would probably hurt tiptro sales, why not milk the cow a little further and release the PDK later?
I think it's very smart.
And no, there's nothing wrong buying a Tiptro and Porsche doesn't betray you. The Turbo is still one of, if not, the best sports car in the world.
It's just a matter of understanding Porsche's strategy and embracing it that's all.
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Fanch said:Quote:
zzboba said:
what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
Absolutely true. There is a similar story with Ferrari I'm not gonna go into. But Porsche is in the business of making profits not pleasing costumers.
PDK's probably ready since a long time but since it would probably hurt tiptro sales, why not milk the cow a little further and release the PDK later?
I think it's very smart.
And no, there's nothing wrong buying a Tiptro and Porsche doesn't betray you. The Turbo is still one of, if not, the best sports car in the world.
It's just a matter of understanding Porsche's strategy and embracing it that's all.
Hey fanch,
they are not THAT smart..
the reason being that they dont have PDK yet is a supply constraint from Borg Warner. Those guys had to embrace and focus on the VW deal as that was their first big customer; therefore all their firepower goes there and not to a small volume producer like Porsche, who might be prestigious, but so what, they got the prestige from the Bugatti DSG already (which they were required to do from Piech in order to get the VW deal). So Porsche will only get the DSG in 07 (and maybe even chooses another supplier though i dont think so), and for Borg Warner it will be much less an exciting deal than getting eg. Ford on their order books...
so one of the advantages of the Porsche-VW deal would probably be that these kind of mishaps wouldnt happen again.
but to your point, they certainly could have been first in the line if they had commited first, which didnt happen as they do not invest as much as we think it would be nice they would - it's all about margins...
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zzboba said:
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How come 0 to 60 mph is 3.4 secs and 0 to 62 mph is 3.7 secs???
I know this is nitpicking but that's what everyone's been doing about the Turbo's numbers lately so I'm asking, why a third of a second to gain 0.2 mph?
Usually, it's 0.2 secs which I found rather long already.
I mean, shouln't 0 to 60 and 0 to 62 mph times be almost identical? At least to the decimal of second?
i was wondering about this one as well!
Yes and no one has replied bc I genuinely believe there is something wrong here from a mathematical point of view.
Already for all other cars there a time difference of 0.2 secs.
997S: 0 to 60 mph in 4.6 secs and 0 to 62 mph (100 kmh) in 4.8 secs!
Now with the Turbo:
0 to 60 mph in 3.4 secs and 0 to 62 in 3.7 secs?
Now seriously, what makes that car so slow to gain 0.3 mph???
Ahhhhh, the joys of marketing.
BTW, my comment applies to the 0.2 mph discrepency that all other car manufacturer publish too, the Turbo has just pushed this nonsense a little bit further.
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question? what % of P owners actually track their car?
Tip is the better deal... IMO
Feb 16, 2006 3:08:44 PM
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And finally, regarding track racing: rumors indicate that test drivers were always faster with the Tiptronic during track testing, with one exception (I don't know if by this exception our source meant the driver or a specific track).
So get over it, I have to get over it too: Tip is faster. Period.
, just a regular guy who visit the track every once in a while.
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And finally, regarding track racing: rumors indicate that test drivers were always faster with the Tiptronic during track testing, with one exception (I don't know if by this exception our source meant the driver or a specific track).
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zzboba said:
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So if you're buying the new 997 Turbo or not, this is your personal decision. But do you know many cars on the street which can hit 60 mph/100 kph in 3.4/3.7 seconds EACH and EVERY time from standstill? I don't. Yes, I'm still not happy with what Porsche brought up. But it could have been worse
all this acceleration-time-horray is applying lipstick to a pig IMO.
the TURBO is the 911 ICON. a vanguard in technology.
why is the PDK not ready?
you can get it for nearly any VW golf -- and VW even managed that it can cope with the torque-monster bugatti.
a 5gear autobox and raving about acceleration times... this might be ok for a SL55 AMG... but we are talking about the brand new 911 turbo here.
what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
Feb 16, 2006 9:32:33 PM
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I am sorry isn't this discussion bordering on the ridiculous? Who in the hell will be driving those speeds and where? The Autobahn is high speed but on city streets?
Feb 16, 2006 10:54:05 PM
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nberry said:
I am sorry isn't this discussion bordering on the ridiculous? Who in the hell will be driving those speeds and where? The Autobahn is high speed but on city streets?
You kidding me? there is more to San Diego out there. I just got back from a commute at the end of the day and I was cruising at 110mph, and I mean "cruising", listening to the stereo, etc, etc...
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zzboba said:
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what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
Sönke, the PDK for the 997 Turbo is not ready, trust me.
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zzboba said:
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what's the reason that PDK isn't ready? just costs and marketing! controlling is ruling zuffenhausen compeletely. they won't have a problem selling the brand new turbo in the beginning, PDK or not... and in 1 or 2 years they will present the PDK, a lot of turbo drivers will switch... and give the tiptronics a hard time on the used car market...
Sönke, the PDK for the 997 Turbo is not ready, trust me.
So I guess PDK and Powerkit are the ticket...
RC, any clue on how much torque the PDK will be able to handle (for tuning purposes)?
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