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Thank you RC! And a few others working in his shadow...
thanking himself... that's what i call narcism
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RC actually met with a Porsche official recently and the latter told him their guestimate is less than 3% of clients are aware of forums and that basically the firm doesn't really pay attention to what goes on on the web.
rennteam.com ist stated in wikipedia's entry on porsche as "the place for finding out the latest porsche news":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche (see end of page)
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My guestimate is less than 5% of Porsche clients check car forums.
You could be right and Porsche may have nothing to be concerned about. However, they have assigned more than two dozen employees to surveil/peruse these boards, so, it makes me wonders what they're actually up to.
Interesting. Do you actually know that for a fact?
Would you share where you got the info from?
Feb 20, 2006 11:14:15 PM
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The whole story about manual vs. tip was something, which I expected for some time...
I don't know why most of you are so surprised ? Automatic transmisions are the only future, even more in this segment. I know that most of you prefer manual, it is the way in which we have used to live and now it is dificult to change it. But we have to! Because all of us want performance on first place! And the times when performance was conected with manual are almost over...This is the true for me...
Look at F-cars in the recent years; BMW, Lambo....all of them started to improve this technology. Porsche was the last man standing till know. And I think that they celebrated the end of manuals with the gorgeus CGT! I thank them for that - it is really a milestone
But know we are talking about 997 Turbo. It is normal for the company to take part in this battle. And they did it great. Great because they give us phenomenal performance with an old concept. Imagine what will happen when the PDK is here...
My 2 cents...
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The whole story about manual vs. tip was something, which I expected for some time...
I don't know why most of you are so surprised ? Automatic transmisions are the only future, even more in this segment. I know that most of you prefer manual, it is the way in which we have used to live and now it is dificult to change it. But we have to! Because all of us want performance on first place! And the times when performance was conected with manual are almost over...This is the true for me...
Look at F-cars in the recent years; BMW, Lambo....all of them started to improve this technology. Porsche was the last man standing till know. And I think that they celebrated the end of manuals with the gorgeus CGT! I thank them for that - it is really a milestone
But know we are talking about 997 Turbo. It is normal for the company to take part in this battle. And they did it great. Great because they give us phenomenal performance with an old concept. Imagine what will happen when the PDK is here...
My 2 cents...
Feb 21, 2006 1:46:47 AM
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RonnieC6Z said:But please get your facts straight...And the 997 will match its performance? The Z is about 400 pounds lighter, has been dynoing at almost 550hp at the crank with almost 500 pound feet of torque, and has a 50-50 weight distribution. Verified numbers: 0-60 in 3.4, 0-100 in 7.4 and 7.429 around the ring on a stock Z with stock runflats.
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Hurst said:For Gods sakes we are talking about a car with a torque converter and 30 kilos being faster than the manual tranny!! The way of the future? The very concept of its design principle is FLAWED for a SPORTS CAR. ...
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Hurst said:For Gods sakes we are talking about a car with a torque converter and 30 kilos being faster than the manual tranny!! The way of the future? The very concept of its design principle is FLAWED for a SPORTS CAR. ...
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You guys sound really old-fashioned.
Faster is as faster does
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Of it's any consolation I know from a very reliable source that the 997 TT will be more than adequate and probably exceed your expectations when it comes to handling and driving pleasure.
If you haven't already driven it - without saying more than I can and will - I do not think u will be disappointed
And if you are wondering about the 997TT S...it's on the way sooner than you think. No kidding.
("I could tell you, but I would have to kill you"...etc )
Feb 22, 2006 3:23:16 AM
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Speaking of the "S" and powerkits, I wonder where the power gains will come from this time around: Different turbo geometries? Same turbo setup as on the base with max. boost turned up? Not likely from extra displacement, they'll likely stick with the GT-1 based 3.6L as on the 996TT and base 997TT. Change in the overboost program with higher output? Then of course there's that PDK thing lurking in the background....
Feb 22, 2006 6:06:23 AM
Feb 22, 2006 6:28:35 AM
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I dont imagine they designed all new turbos that are flowing their max amount of air as is....
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I don't like to say it, but if continues I will get the impression that some guys here are spoiled and have luxury-problems.
Rufie
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Today, Porsche drivers are viewed different by people, I can tell it by their looks, by their comments at the fuel station or at my dealer or even when I'm washing my car. People don't consider us Porsche drivers to be freaks like many years ago, they consider us to be rich and spoiled people who are just showing off their toy. Nothing more and nothing less.
Do you think it is written on my forehead that I'm one of the people behind Rennteam? Do you think people can read from your nose that you're the hell of a track driver and you love driving your Porsche? Or do you think people believe you when you tell them that you're enjoying a lonesome ride into the sun along the street, just for fun?
Nahhh, we're just a bunch of rich and spoiled wannabees and whenever these people see a crashed Porsche, it actually confirms their prejudice. So what do I care about these people? To be honest? I don't care at all.
Feb 26, 2006 3:31:24 AM
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The fact that the 997TT with a automatic is quicker than a manual wont help public opinion either. No matter how wonderful, it will just push perceptions of Porsche drivers more into the SL class of sterotyped owners.
And the more expensive Porsches become, the more the company needs to attract SL and Jag customers with luxury options,low transmission noise (the real purpose of the dual mass flywheel, more soundproofing that adds more weight etc..
I see more posts here bemoaning the lack of Sat radio and Ipod connectivity than I see complaints about the lack of dry sump systems (997/987's) or stiffer motor mounts.
If it were not for the for the GT3, the only real Porsche sports car would be the CGT. And even the GT3 needs its pedals changed back to the floor hinged type and its gas filler flap moved back to the drivers side (no offense UK owners), and if you have to ask why all of this matters, then you ahould go Google until you find out why.
Feb 26, 2006 10:06:14 AM
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The fact that the 997TT with a automatic is quicker than a manual wont help public opinion either. No matter how wonderful, it will just push perceptions of Porsche drivers more into the SL class of sterotyped owners.
Feb 26, 2006 10:17:47 AM
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The fact that the 997TT with a automatic is quicker than a manual wont help public opinion either. No matter how wonderful, it will just push perceptions of Porsche drivers more into the SL class of sterotyped owners.
And the more expensive Porsches become, the more the company needs to attract SL and Jag customers with luxury options,low transmission noise (the real purpose of the dual mass flywheel, more soundproofing that adds more weight etc..
I see more posts here bemoaning the lack of Sat radio and Ipod connectivity than I see complaints about the lack of dry sump systems (997/987's) or stiffer motor mounts.
If it were not for the for the GT3, the only real Porsche sports car would be the CGT. And even the GT3 needs its pedals changed back to the floor hinged type and its gas filler flap moved back to the drivers side (no offense UK owners), and if you have to ask why all of this matters, then you ahould go Google until you find out why.
Feb 26, 2006 11:06:03 AM
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The fact that the 997TT with a automatic is quicker than a manual wont help public opinion either. No matter how wonderful, it will just push perceptions of Porsche drivers more into the SL class of sterotyped owners.
And the more expensive Porsches become, the more the company needs to attract SL and Jag customers with luxury options,low transmission noise (the real purpose of the dual mass flywheel, more soundproofing that adds more weight etc..
I see more posts here bemoaning the lack of Sat radio and Ipod connectivity than I see complaints about the lack of dry sump systems (997/987's) or stiffer motor mounts.
If it were not for the for the GT3, the only real Porsche sports car would be the CGT. And even the GT3 needs its pedals changed back to the floor hinged type and its gas filler flap moved back to the drivers side (no offense UK owners), and if you have to ask why all of this matters, then you ahould go Google until you find out why.
I totally agree with you!
Porsche 997tt is not for the same target group anymore as previous years...
This is more a daily or family car (very fast though) than a pure sport car.. it is like a cayenne Turbo for street version.
I believe our last hope from Porsche, will be the new GT3 RS. If not then we will have to go to other brands like lambo etc
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The fact that the 997TT with a automatic is quicker than a manual wont help public opinion either. No matter how wonderful, it will just push perceptions of Porsche drivers more into the SL class of sterotyped owners.
And the more expensive Porsches become, the more the company needs to attract SL and Jag customers with luxury options,low transmission noise (the real purpose of the dual mass flywheel, more soundproofing that adds more weight etc..
I see more posts here bemoaning the lack of Sat radio and Ipod connectivity than I see complaints about the lack of dry sump systems (997/987's) or stiffer motor mounts.
If it were not for the for the GT3, the only real Porsche sports car would be the CGT. And even the GT3 needs its pedals changed back to the floor hinged type and its gas filler flap moved back to the drivers side (no offense UK owners), and if you have to ask why all of this matters, then you ahould go Google until you find out why.
I totally agree with you!
Porsche 997tt is not for the same target group anymore as previous years...
This is more a daily or family car (very fast though) than a pure sport car.. it is like a cayenne Turbo for street version.
I believe our last hope from Porsche, will be the new GT3 RS. If not then we will have to go to other brands like lambo etc
Wait for the Turbo S. If it's really coming sooner than we thought, then there might be some surprises in store for us.
Feb 26, 2006 12:14:05 PM
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re few posts above this one: (not just Carlos)
Is the issue that Porsche has failed to produce a number over 500, or that they've seemingly have failed with their PDK technology (in the short term), or have created a vehicle that is drivable on a daily basis? Surely if it's the latter then it was just as much a 996 issue as it ever could be a 997 issue. If it's about technology, then it's a general P issue, not a 997tt issue.
I was reading about the Turbo S (here); CF put it: "since there isn't much room for improvement in the 0-60(62) mph performance territory, a Turbo S will show it's power advantage at higher speed ranges only, above 100 mph and more likely above 125 mph." as I was reading I was thinking how relevant is that for the vast majority of owners. I drive I tip now. I had a manual. (and a tip prior to that). I prefer the tip. It does everything I want of it. Please don't flame me! Yes, I DE'd it a dozen times on the track, I was surprised how it behaved in D mode. A 0.1 0-100 means nothing to me.
Weight; yes, an issue, but I can not complain as I've got bose / pcm / electric sport seats in my car! Anyway, I look at it like this, my body could be 20kg heavier, currently it's not, so I have a 'pick-up' there. I like having the PCM too!
I know for the pure guys, you are probably as to why a tip is faster than a manual, and you feel a 'marketing' game about to be played. But you probably don't like PSM either - and for me and most of the p car people, it's a great butt saving device and an educational tool.
From what I've read I don't see any significant Porsche reclassification of the 997tt. Aixos, I know you've said that "Porsche 997tt is not for the same target group anymore as previous years..." I would ask you to elaborate if you wouldn't mind (or someone).
Guys, please don't flame me, and I hope in no way you find this too flaming, but the reason why p-cars attract people like me is that we feel some degree of comfort (in the sense the cars not a gt3-like beast).
Many of us are about to put reasonable money on the line and before we do, would love to be better informed.
Thanks!
Feb 26, 2006 1:22:15 PM
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Feb 26, 2006 7:20:28 PM
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Crash said:For the 993TT it was the hardcore sports car enthusiast. The car was raw and loud and it was pretty much the fastest thing on the road, save for a few supercars.
Feb 26, 2006 8:30:59 PM
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Crash said:For the 993TT it was the hardcore sports car enthusiast. The car was raw and loud and it was pretty much the fastest thing on the road, save for a few supercars.
The Turbo, in 996 and 997 forms, has become way too "GT'ish". Porsche has added all the "fluff" items, and rounded off the edges of what was once a hard edged sports car, just to open the car up to a wider market of potential buyers. Since I consider myself a "sports car" guy, and not a "GT" guy, I have been stiff armed farther and farther away from the Porsche product line. I don't think NAV has any place in a real sports car, just like cup holders, a "soft" riding suspension, less responsive steering rack, mushy shifter, quiet exhaust, or an automatic transmission.
I bought a 996 Turbo knowing it was going to be "soft", but also knowing I could fix the problem. I deleted the sunroof, and added X73, a better/louder exhaust, a B&M shifter, a better clutch and lightweight flywheel, and more power via a Stage 2 upgrade. The car is now sufficiently "sports car"...it's hard edged, loud, fast, handles great...and has a 6-speed. It's been targeted with these upgrades to achieve what I think Porsche should produce right from the factory - a real sports car.
I don't ever plan on selling my 996 Turbo, and if I add another sports car, it certainly won't be a 997 Turbo...