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I agree with almost 100% of that, sadly...
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I agree with almost 100% of that, sadly...
I hear and understand what you're saying, Grant, but the fact is that Porsche can take its so-called "lack of vision" to the bank and cash it in. GM has to take the roundabout route home to avoid passing any banks, to avoid embarressment.
So who's getting it right, and who's getting it wrong?
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I wasn't really focusing on the Corvette comments as much as the criticisms of Porsche.
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It's entirely possible that what I want/expect from a Porsche is just different from the buying public at large...
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In Europe Corvette(Z06 or not) is dead in the water...
Z06 is probably the biggest bang for the buck but, even that will not pump up sale in Europe. I respect Z06 very much but, I will never buy one! Most of the people here which are from Europe think the same, IMO.
And please, end this stupid comparison between Vette and 997 Turbo(or forthcoming GT3).
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fritz said:I had also recognized that a long time ago from your posts. You are basically just a GT3 hunter who has not yet got around to squeezing the trigger.
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fritz said:I had also recognized that a long time ago from your posts. You are basically just a GT3 hunter who has not yet got around to squeezing the trigger.
Fritz - this is a very true statement. I had a deposit and order on a 2004GT3, but I withdrew when my track car (88 951S with mods) burned to the ground with no insurance. So, instead I bought my 2 current Porsche (for $25k less money than my ordered GT3).
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Grant said:There is still a part of me that really admires the GT3 and I do wish I had the ownership experience. However, I firmly believe (however deluded ) that my 73RS is more fun (much more accesible performance, better sounding, and much more driver feedback) to drive on the track and my 993 is more appropriate for the majority of my street driving (and it looks alot prettier).
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I wish I could afford to buy one and know if I made the right choice for sure
Feb 8, 2006 10:35:53 PM
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fritz said:Life may be short, but not so short that you won't have the opportunity to find out. Hopefully without having to sacrifice one of your current cars. Sounds like you'd hate for one of them to have to go.
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If the 997 GT3RS comes out ALOT lighter and is sold in the US, maybe I'll have to put a second mortgage on the house and sell the 993
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If the 997 GT3RS comes out ALOT lighter and is sold in the US, maybe I'll have to put a second mortgage on the house and sell the 993
Given the "climate" for reducing car weights with increasingly stringent safety requirements, I guess you'll be keeping your 993 a while yet.
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If the 997 GT3RS comes out ALOT lighter and is sold in the US, maybe I'll have to put a second mortgage on the house and sell the 993
Given the "climate" for reducing car weights with increasingly stringent safety requirements, I guess you'll be keeping your 993 a while yet.
I think you're right, but at least the 997TT is lighter with aluminum doors, etc. Maybe they'll continue this trend further with the GT3 and further still with the RS...
Feb 8, 2006 11:27:31 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:To bring down the 911 to the level of a Vette, is to bring down a Gallardo to the level of a Lacer EVO, or a F430 to the level of a M3-CSL...
Bring DOWN the 911 to the level of a Vette??? Typical...So typical!!! I have owned both 911's and Vettes, and let me tell you, the Vette is superior in almost EVERY catagory.
And that includes build quality, performance, cost of service, technology, and so on. My 911 was in the shop almost every month for something or another. My buddy has had 2 TT's, one of which was in the shop 8 times for rattles! I have owned 7 Vettes and they have been the most trouble free cars that I have experienced! When my Z needs an oil change, I go to Jiffy Lube and am there for 30 minutes...and I never see a P car at Jiffy Lube.
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"The Article" said:They (Corvettes) were fast alright, but a well-driven 911 could out-brake and generally spank a Corvette on a road course. That is no longer the case, however. The current model-year 911 may have been sharpened a whole bunch over its immediate predecessors, but there's no denying the fact that it's a bigger, heavier car that lacks the connectivity that the earlier, rowdier 911s had in spades.
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Turbo Al said:Any idea how much weight the 911Turbo or GT3 would save if the same CF monococque structure implemented on the CGT found its way onto the 911 series? Plus with copious use of aluminum elsewhere? And how about a reversal of the trend towards continued lengthening of the wheelbase aggravated by the 993-to-996 re-design?
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W8MM said:Quote:The author has been eating too much oat bran and it's starting to come out of his keyboard!
"The Article" said:They (Corvettes) were fast alright, but a well-driven 911 could out-brake and generally spank a Corvette on a road course. That is no longer the case, however. The current model-year 911 may have been sharpened a whole bunch over its immediate predecessors, but there's no denying the fact that it's a bigger, heavier car that lacks the connectivity that the earlier, rowdier 911s had in spades.
The C4 Corvette of 1980s could nearly lap the average 911 of the day at drivers schools. I watched this from my instructor's seat at road courses from Watkimns Glen to Mid-Ohio. I didn't want a C4 then and I don't much want a C6 now.
The C4 was very fast on a smooth road course, but on a back road, it displayed the bad effects of a beaming resonance in the chassis that peaked around 2 Hz. It made the back end hop all over the road if it were the least bit bumpy.
This article is long on clever invective and short on true perspective.
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I hear and understand what you're saying, Grant, but the fact is that Porsche can take its so-called "lack of vision" to the bank and cash it in. GM has to take the roundabout route home to avoid passing any banks, to avoid embarressment.
So who's getting it right, and who's getting it wrong?
Feb 9, 2006 1:14:09 PM
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Import duties are high on the Z06. I thougt I read it cost close to 100,000 euro. to buy which is ridiculous.
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http://www.autoextremist.com/page5.shtml#RoadKill
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Import duties are high on the Z06. I thougt I read it cost close to 100,000 euro. to buy which is ridiculous.
Import duties are the SAME on all cars over here in Germany, no matter if you import a Z06 or a Saturn.
The Z06 is OFFICIALLY available in Europe, there is no need for import. The price tag is around 79000 Euro incl. the usual GM warrantee. Compared to the 911, the Z06 is a bargain and still...most people won't touch it. Not because it isn't a good car (and even that we still don't know but you don't believe me...you have more trust in rumors, gossip and urban legends...look at your "import duties post") but because it is a car with a certain reputation over here, because you can't register/buy it for your business, you have to wait pretty long for spare parts, insurance is high, there aren't many dealers around who are specialized in Corvette maintenance/repairs and so on. And resale value...well...ridiculous.
Of course the Z06 is a bargain, apparently GM has something to give away for free. And one year later, they are firing 20000 workers to finance their "gift" for customers.
I don't know, Nick but I think as business men and people who are earning a substantial amount of money we should view these things a little bit different.
And finally, I'm still waiting for a comparison review.
Til then, the Z06 is more like a "paper tiger" like we are saying here, nothing to be concerned with.