Feb 2, 2006 3:59:00 PM
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Feb 2, 2006 4:56:23 PM
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nberry said:
If I was Porsche I would be greatly concerned about these numbers.
Feb 2, 2006 7:14:40 PM
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nberry said:
If I was Porsche I would be greatly concerned about these numbers. Look at them closely and you will find that the 911 is not doing very well. They made up the short fall by not listing any Cab sales for the prior year and make the numbers look better than what they really are. Also, the Boxster sales were significantly lower which I assume is directly related to the Cayman.
Finally Cayman sales look good but we do not know whether sales are to customers or dealerships. As an introductory model, it will get more interest. Whether the car has "legs" will remain to be seen.
BTW the 997TT will save their bacon termporarily. However, it also will take a hit after the first year.
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KenH said:
If that is so the numbers are pretty meaningless.
Feb 3, 2006 9:56:48 AM
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Justin said:
It's true that cars stacking up on dealer lots are bad, but often this is a self correcting phenomenon, as dealers should order less cars in the following months. Or Porsche allocates them less cars to order. That is the theory anyway.
- Justin
Feb 3, 2006 10:10:46 AM
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nberry said:
If I was Porsche I would be greatly concerned about these numbers. Look at them closely and you will find that the 911 is not doing very well. They made up the short fall by not listing any Cab sales for the prior year and make the numbers look better than what they really are. Also, the Boxster sales were significantly lower which I assume is directly related to the Cayman.
Finally Cayman sales look good but we do not know whether sales are to customers or dealerships. As an introductory model, it will get more interest. Whether the car has "legs" will remain to be seen.
BTW the 997TT will save their bacon termporarily. However, it also will take a hit after the first year.
Nick, Nick, Nick, always twisting the numbers. In January 2005, 620 911s were sold. This year, 810 911s were sold. Not a bad increase in sales. And as a lawyer, you know companies can report only actual sales. How many companies have gotten in trouble for trying to report non-sales with sales?
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KenH said:
That is surprising, although I do wonder whether PCNA counts sales to customers or sales to dealers in these figures.
What surprises me more is the very low figure for "approved" used car sales. It seems to support my impression that my (US) dealer will not be very interested in buying my car back from me, even as a trade.
I have the feeling that things are very different in the UK and used car sales there are just as important as new to the OPCs, if not more so. But in the UK they do not have a row of new cars ready to drive away.
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nberry said:
Not good for a $150,000 car because only the true Porsche enthusiast can tell the difference between a TT, 997 or Cayman for that matter.
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nberry said:
You have the last word. However, for the record, I am 5'11 1/2", weigh 180 pds and have all my hair which is all black.
Also, I am VERY comfortable within my skin.
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KenH said:
"I believe PAG/PCNA has officially stated that it counts a US sale to the dealer when the car leaves the PDI center; it used to be when the car arrived at the dealer' lot. The numbers should reflect this, not sales to end users. "
If that is so the numbers are pretty meaningless.
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nberry said:
Not so. If you exclude the Cab sales (they were not counted last year because they were introduced in March/April ) you will note that the 997 and 997S had an appreciable decline from year to year. My prediction of the 997 sales tanking is right on track.
However with every number there is hope. Consider that 997's will be discounted even more than they are now and( something close to my heart) less of them.
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MKW said:
From the current issue of autoextremist.com :
" Word from Porsche Land is not good. We're hearing from some very big and very important Porsche dealer principals that the Porsche Cayman S is as close to being dead in the water as a new car can be. "Customers come in, call it a Boxster S Coupe, see it's about ten grand more than a regular Boxster S any way you slice it, mutter something about 'why is a Coupe ten grand more than the convertible?' - and then they either start looking at the Boxster S or they walk out. Porche blew the Cayman pricing, period," was the word from one dealer we talked to who shall remain nameless. "
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MKW said:
From the current issue of autoextremist.com :
" Word from Porsche Land is not good. We're hearing from some very big and very important Porsche dealer principals that the Porsche Cayman S is as close to being dead in the water as a new car can be. "Customers come in, call it a Boxster S Coupe, see it's about ten grand more than a regular Boxster S any way you slice it, mutter something about 'why is a Coupe ten grand more than the convertible?' - and then they either start looking at the Boxster S or they walk out. Porche blew the Cayman pricing, period," was the word from one dealer we talked to who shall remain nameless. "
Bingo.
Should be priced same as the Boxster S. Then you choose, convertible or more power and better handling.
Good luck to the dealer who tries to explain the pricing to a first time Porsche buyer. Porsche might loose him for good, it is a small step to think Porsche is gouging people on the whole lineup.
Also resale value will suffer a lot, in a few years there will be some low priced Caymans out there going for less than regular Boxsters. And the typical Cayman will care about resale value, else he probably would have gotten a 997S instead.
Feb 10, 2006 4:16:26 PM
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964C2 said:
I don't understand all this fuss over Cayman pricing....think of it as a Boxster S with a "Power kit" at only $280 per additional HP, on the 997S you have to pay $650 per HP for it's "Power kit"!!