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The article says it will continue the F430 thru late 2008, making it a five year run. Not surprising to see a new model for 2009.
it will make a 4 years run ,05,06,07,08 .... frustrating..
Jan 16, 2006 12:44:09 PM
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The article says it will continue the F430 thru late 2008, making it a five year run. Not surprising to see a new model for 2009.
it will make a 4 years run ,05,06,07,08 .... frustrating..
Actually that's quite good:
you'll get your car this year, then you'll drive it for about three, four years (as long as the warranty) and then you'll switch to the successor!
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The article says it will continue the F430 thru late 2008, making it a five year run. Not surprising to see a new model for 2009.
it will make a 4 years run ,05,06,07,08 .... frustrating..
Actually that's quite good:
you'll get your car this year, then you'll drive it for about three, four years (as long as the warranty) and then you'll switch to the successor!
nice way to view things rossi...
Jan 16, 2006 10:07:17 PM
Jan 16, 2006 10:16:17 PM
Jan 17, 2006 3:27:09 AM
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Ferrari details that its F430 will be replaced by a newly designed model in 2008?? that can't be, that wouldn't be fair to current F430 onwers
That would be a four year run, average has been five, but four is not outrageous. Why would it hurt?
Gary
I was thinking about the states, in Europe you could and can get a F430 quick, but considering the US is 50% of Ferrari's market and the significant delay in the delivery of the F430 had to US, that would make it a 2-3 year run for US customers or think of the people that are still waiting for one. Thats why I say it can't be, 2008 would be way too early and would make a lot of owners unhappy.
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NHTSA is the same agency that approved all kinds of "safe" cars like the Explorer rollover SUV, Crown Vic/Lincoln fuel tank exploder, etc etc....
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They 'advertise' that the 430 is a 'totally brand new car' whereas in reality it's an upgraded, facelifted 360.
I think Ferrari never claimed that.
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They 'advertise' that the 430 is a 'totally brand new car' whereas in reality it's an upgraded, facelifted 360.
I think Ferrari never claimed that.
If this is true that the 430 is only an update from the 360 Ferrari truly did a marvellous job. Many including chief editor of Wheels magazine Australia say that the 430 is the best car they have ever driven. Amazing especially when you consider the power and torque increase with the safer handling on the limit.
Hopefully the new car from the 360/430 era will be as big an improvement as the 308/328 to 348/355.
Jan 18, 2006 1:50:29 AM
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NHTSA is the same agency that approved all kinds of "safe" cars like the Explorer rollover SUV, Crown Vic/Lincoln fuel tank exploder, etc etc....
The NTHSA writes the rules and the car manufacturers certify their cars to those rules, they don't really "approve" anything.
The two main problems with the 430 is that Ferrari can't fit a newer style airbag into the passenger compartment, there just isn't room behind the dash. The other problem is that they can't find a supplier for a system that figures out if a passenger is a full grown adult, a child or a woman. No one is willing to sell and certify a system to Ferrari. I'm guess maybe because all the current systems that were built for sport seats were designed inconjunction with other large manufacturers (i.e. Porsche, etc.) so the seat manufacturers can't sell to third-parties? (Ferrari even tried a video camera based system but it didn't work)
The replacement for the F430 comes out in 2008 and if Ferrari is unable to sell anything in 2007 they will have a decrease in net profit of $53,000,000USD.
What I don't understand is that Ferrari claims the 430 was just an upgraded 360 with an unchanged chassis design from the early nineties. I thought Alcoa redesigned the chassis in around 2000 for Ferrari?
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ferrari should be ashamed of how they neglected the design of airbags in the f430. it is absurd that they did not design this 2006 car with side airbags. it doesn't sirprise me at all that they also screwed up the design of the front airbags. i hope nhtsa does stop sales of this inherently unsafe design.
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VKSF said:
NHTSA is the same agency that approved all kinds of "safe" cars like the Explorer rollover SUV, Crown Vic/Lincoln fuel tank exploder, etc etc....
The NTHSA writes the rules and the car manufacturers certify their cars to those rules, they don't really "approve" anything.
The two main problems with the 430 is that Ferrari can't fit a newer style airbag into the passenger compartment, there just isn't room behind the dash. The other problem is that they can't find a supplier for a system that figures out if a passenger is a full grown adult, a child or a woman. No one is willing to sell and certify a system to Ferrari. I'm guess maybe because all the current systems that were built for sport seats were designed inconjunction with other large manufacturers (i.e. Porsche, etc.) so the seat manufacturers can't sell to third-parties? (Ferrari even tried a video camera based system but it didn't work)
The replacement for the F430 comes out in 2008 and if Ferrari is unable to sell anything in 2007 they will have a decrease in net profit of $53,000,000USD.
What I don't understand is that Ferrari claims the 430 was just an upgraded 360 with an unchanged chassis design from the early nineties. I thought Alcoa redesigned the chassis in around 2000 for Ferrari?
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ferrari should be ashamed of how they neglected the design of airbags in the f430. it is absurd that they did not design this 2006 car with side airbags. it doesn't sirprise me at all that they also screwed up the design of the front airbags. i hope nhtsa does stop sales of this inherently unsafe design.
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NHTSA is the same agency that approved all kinds of "safe" cars like the Explorer rollover SUV, Crown Vic/Lincoln fuel tank exploder, etc etc....
The NTHSA writes the rules and the car manufacturers certify their cars to those rules, they don't really "approve" anything.
The two main problems with the 430 is that Ferrari can't fit a newer style airbag into the passenger compartment, there just isn't room behind the dash. The other problem is that they can't find a supplier for a system that figures out if a passenger is a full grown adult, a child or a woman. No one is willing to sell and certify a system to Ferrari. I'm guess maybe because all the current systems that were built for sport seats were designed inconjunction with other large manufacturers (i.e. Porsche, etc.) so the seat manufacturers can't sell to third-parties? (Ferrari even tried a video camera based system but it didn't work)
The replacement for the F430 comes out in 2008 and if Ferrari is unable to sell anything in 2007 they will have a decrease in net profit of $53,000,000USD.
What I don't understand is that Ferrari claims the 430 was just an upgraded 360 with an unchanged chassis design from the early nineties. I thought Alcoa redesigned the chassis in around 2000 for Ferrari?
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Turbo Al said:Could it still be imported under the individual states' "component" car (kit car) regs. in which case air bags aren't required?
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Turbo Al said:Could it still be imported under the individual states' "component" car (kit car) regs. in which case air bags aren't required?
Maybe, but don't you need to import the chassis and drivetrain separately to qualify?
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Turbo Al said:Could it still be imported under the individual states' "component" car (kit car) regs. in which case air bags aren't required?
Maybe, but don't you need to import the chassis and drivetrain separately to qualify?
Yes, I think so, but could they dismantle then reassemble the car once it arrives in the US?