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JimFlat6 said:OH NO! THE SKY IS FALLING!
Dec 26, 2005 3:00:06 PM
Dec 26, 2005 3:56:41 PM
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OCEAN said:
The 430 has shown there are people that will line up for a 200K+ pure raw sports car .
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OCEAN said:
Seems like there is a market for a CGT like car ... that is not carbon so the price is not as hight but has the same driving experience and look . Mid engine V10 new flagship model that does not need to keep with the tradition of the 911 . Seems like Porsche could build a much better top of the line sports car if it had a model that did not need to stay in the 911 tradition and they were not concerned about it being a stronger car than the 911 . The CGT was proof that they can build cars that are much more advanced than the 911 , maybe it just does not need to be all carbon so it can stay in the 200K range .
There are people who like me have had 911's for decades and just want a change and with Porsche the only model that is really their top of the line production sports car is the 911 series . I see more and more people buying 430's just for a change . Would be nice it you could have a change and still stay with Porsche .
If they came out with a 200K dollar V10 mid engine 2 seater no frills sports car it would be great , but they are so careful not to build anything that would compete with the 911 platform they kind of seem held back from what they are really capable of building .
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AmirGT2 said:
Although I think that the 997TT will be a heck of a car, I'm willing to bet my CGT that there is Absolutely no way a 3500+lbs, less tha 500hp 997TT will be faster than it to 100mph.
Amir
The cost of implementing the Tiptronic gearbox for the 997 Turbo has to be considerable, is it really economically viable when you're going to replace it within a year with a new gearbox type "PDK".
Not likely 
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CF said:
Honestly, do we really believe Porsche is going to throw away money like that!
Offering 3 gearbox types for the 997 Turbo a year from now.
Cost of Tiptronic: around 3000 Euro. Cost for PDK: around 6000 Euro as far as I heard.Quote:
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AmirGT2 said:
Although I think that the 997TT will be a heck of a car, I'm willing to bet my CGT that there is Absolutely no way a 3500+lbs, less tha 500hp 997TT will be faster than it to 100mph.
Amir
Amir, it might be quicker to 60 or 100mph because of how quickly the VTG makes its power. But after that, your CGT would just laugh at it.
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Branimir said:
RC,
Is it possible that 3.7s time for 0-100km/h is actually time for PDK car? For me it makes no sense at all that tiptronic time is 3.7s, then PDK will be eithet slower or have the same time as tiptronic?? Also, I agree with you that 3 gearbox options are way too much! Manual and PDK are just enough, IMO...
), I still hope we're getting PDK from the start because 1. it doesn't make sense to offer Tiptronic AND PDK and 2. Porsche can't sell a 997 Turbo without an auto tranny option (which would be PDK in this case).Quote:
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Branimir said:So let's pray for PDK from the start, it would make sense.
But I have my doubts since I heard two recent rumors (again: RUMORS!!!):
1. 997 GT3 introduction will be delayed
2. PDK makes it's debut on the GT3
RC - Did you rumors indicate whether the GT3 will come ONLY with PDK or a choice between PDK and manual gearbox?
Thanks!
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RC said:
Since we don't have ANY 997 TT interior pictures (and apparently for a reason like a friend told me...
So let's pray for PDK from the start, it would make sense.
But I have my doubts since I heard two recent rumors (again: RUMORS!!!):
1. 997 GT3 introduction will be delayed
2. PDK makes it's debut on the GT3
I still hope we get PDK on the 997 Turbo from the start but chances aren't big right now I'm afraid.
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bluelines said:
Hm, I don't see an issue with 3 gearbox alternatives. I have a hard time seeing PDK replacing the Tiptronic. I think many of the current 996TT Tiptronic customers find PDK to be too "new" technology and they rather stick with Tiptronic. These customers, Merc SL segment to me, want an automatic transmission a la old style. Porsche would not miss out on that market segment. BMW offers 3 transmissions for some of their models, I am sure Porsche can (and will) too.
Dec 27, 2005 8:42:37 PM
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MKSGR said:
The tiptronic has no advantages over PDK at all. The old tiptronic is simply inferior in all respects (assuming that PDK will be similar to existing DSG solutions on the market). PDK is the future automatic transmission.
If Ferrari owners don't believe it: it was actually a Ferrari engineer who said that recently.
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RC said:
And what is even more interesting (hi Nick!): it is even better than the highly praised F1 sequential shifting system used by Ferrari in the F430.
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RC said:Since we don't have ANY 997 TT interior pictures (and apparently for a reason like a friend told me...
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RC said:
And what is even more interesting (hi Nick!): it is even better than the highly praised F1 sequential shifting system used by Ferrari in the F430.
To be correct: the Ferrari engineer (Massimo Fumarola, BTW) said that the DSG would fit perfectly for a GT like the 612.
Fumarola: "We definetely believe that it's the future. But it takes time to develop properly. If you want the best balance between comfort and speed, than it's the right way to go. It would fit with the character of the 612."
Anyway, funny to see how the same hype for the DSG starts among the Porsche customers, as F1 did at Ferrari. And that although a short while ago - when there was only the F1 - the manual was the only way to go for proper sports cars...
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