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    Dec 24, 2005 9:49:55 PM

    carreraman
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    997 without monitor, 997 videos

    I was watching a video in Japan on the 997 both C2 and C2S and neither of them had the monitor that is standard on all US models. I hate the monitor and would welcome having a plainer version of the dash. The salesman at the Miami dealer says he knows of no way to order the 997 without the monitor, but as we all know, they rarely know enough. Is there anyone out there that knows if this is possible in the US. BTW, here is the link to many cool 997 videos...
    http://coochas.com/porsche/coochas-911videos.html#997

    Dec 24, 2005 10:35:23 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    What do you mean by the monitor? Are you talking about the radio PCM display?

    Dec 24, 2005 10:57:41 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Yes exactly! The radio PCM display.

    Dec 24, 2005 11:00:16 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Quote:
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    Yes exactly! The radio PCM display.



    I'm not sure but as far as I know, the PCM system is a standard option worldwide, even in Japan. I don't know of any possibility to delete this option.
    A stupid question: why would you want that? I actually love the PCM system, I just wish it would be optional.

    Dec 24, 2005 11:08:56 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    On the link, check out Best Motoring Int. Ch 1-2
    You'll see it there. I just like the way it looks!

    Dec 24, 2005 11:27:11 PM

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    Perhaps I'm stupid too,but I prefer the CDR24 instead of PCM on 997.
    RC,it's eventually possible install the CDR24 in 997's dash as after market?
    Thanks.

    Dec 25, 2005 12:59:01 AM

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    gian return to PM and remember the goats power !

    otherwise in my opinion it's possible that the new 997 Gt3 rs will be delivered with 987/cayman dashboard .......if the car doesn'h have the sport crono

    Dec 25, 2005 2:35:11 AM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Funny that you dislike the PCM display and its functions. I have the '06 Carrera S for the Japanese market, which has no display and its onboard computer is severely restricted in functions maybe due to differences in traffic regulations. Sat-nav is not available, either. I actually envy you US/Europe residents who enjoy all that stuff.

    Dec 25, 2005 2:51:03 AM

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    Hey Carreraman! I live in Japan and ALL Porsches come without the PCM display here!! I am sure you can buy the CDR 24 option and have it installed! BECAUSE I know plenty of people who have had them removed so they can install an aftermarket navigation system!

    Dec 25, 2005 10:28:23 AM

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    maybe they haven't got a Japanese version of PCM??

    Dec 25, 2005 4:04:36 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    the Porsche Japanese web site shows a monitor in the interior pictures of the 997

    Dec 25, 2005 4:09:49 PM

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    But then again the steering wheel is on the other side in Japan or at least is was when I lived there in 1959.

    Dec 25, 2005 4:13:13 PM

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    Can anyone there post a picture of their 997 without the monitor (PCM)?
    I think sometimes that the monitor deters from the driving experience. Unless you have the Sport Chrono Package to record your lap times or the Navigation option, it looks like a huge waist of space. It's not even centered with the majority of buttons on the left. OK, maybe I'm nitpicking, but that's what this is all about, getting the best experience from your Porsche!

    Dec 25, 2005 5:04:53 PM

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    Here is the pic I got from the video.
    /uploads/172464-NoPCM.bmp

    Dec 25, 2005 5:06:43 PM

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    Sorry about that. Let me try again.
    /uploads/172465-NoPCM.bmp

    Dec 25, 2005 5:13:04 PM

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    The picture is an attachment.

    Dec 25, 2005 5:26:55 PM

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    Dec 25, 2005 5:40:14 PM

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    OK what was I doing wrong? I could not get the pic to show up.

    Dec 25, 2005 5:58:35 PM

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    I converted it to a .jpg format and loaded it up to my photo album.

    Here's the URL: http://www.rennteam.com/photopost/data/500/8422PorscheNoPCM_512_x_384_.jpg

    Dec 25, 2005 10:34:30 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Quote:
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    But then again the steering wheel is on the other side in Japan or at least is was when I lived there in 1959.



    A lot of Japanese buyers of "exotic" imports spec their cars as left-hand drivers even when a RHD version is available. It's a "status" thing.

    Dec 26, 2005 2:05:12 AM

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    The Japanese text attached to these photos says "Not identically equipped for the Japanese models."

    Dec 26, 2005 2:09:25 AM

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    Yes, it used to be very much so, but not that much anymore. And for the old 911s it was better to choose the left-hand drivers because of the offset position of pedals of the right-hand ones.

    Dec 26, 2005 2:32:29 AM

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    The reason why the Jap cars don't have PCM is because first and foremost it is way way behind the Japanese navigation systems. For example for my 997 I have a pioneer system that does the following:

    Journey Planner (50 locations in one trip : ) )
    3 Day views / birds eye views (full colour - looks like Gran Turismo - includes buildings, goes into tunnels etc etc - amazing!)
    voice recognition
    30 GB hard drive for music or movie or TV recording
    DVD player (for traffic jams I guess)
    Mini Disc Player
    PCMICI Slot (Photo's or data retrieval)
    E-mail & Internet!!!
    Live Weather
    Television
    It tells me where all the decent restaurants are etc etc
    I am getting bored with this list - but it is way ahead of PCM
    The only downside, its all in Japanese - not a problem for me - I studied Japanese hard : )

    Secondly, Japanese characters won't work with PCM and phones here are not GSM

    All cars come into Japan as my car ( photo in the page before) but most people put in a navigation system. Mine cost USD 4000.00 including fitting.

    LHD or RHD? All manual cars are LHD - Tiptronic cars come both LHD and RHD. The President of Porsche Japan has RHD (tiptronic) but most people remember the old days when the pedals in RHD were so offset you would have your right foot below the steering wheel - not a nice way to drive! The other reason is most Jap's like the cars in LHD because how Porsche builds them! I had a 2003 996 in RHD (tiptronic)my 997 is LHD manual.

    In Japan sometimes its better to drive a LHD car because of the narrow streets - you can get very close to the kerb without mashing your alloys AND jump out of the car quickly!

    I am in Sydney until Jan but will take some snaps when I get back to Tokyo for anyone who is interested!

    Helios - where in Japan are you? What motor are you driving?

    Dec 26, 2005 3:56:28 AM

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    Hi Porky,
    I live in Yokohama and commute to Tokyo by the '06 Carrera S tipronic, which just recently replaced the good old '94 Carrera manual. You know I'm getting old!

    Dec 26, 2005 4:12:19 AM

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    Well I like my PCM and would not want a 997 without it. Maybe I am just use to it.

    Dec 26, 2005 8:44:50 AM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Quote:
    Porky Tokyo said:
    The reason why the Jap cars don't have PCM is because first and foremost it is way way behind the Japanese navigation systems. For example for my 997 I have a pioneer system that does the following:

    Journey Planner (50 locations in one trip : ) )
    3 Day views / birds eye views (full colour - looks like Gran Turismo - includes buildings, goes into tunnels etc etc - amazing!)
    voice recognition
    30 GB hard drive for music or movie or TV recording
    DVD player (for traffic jams I guess)
    Mini Disc Player
    PCMICI Slot (Photo's or data retrieval)
    E-mail & Internet!!!
    Live Weather
    Television
    It tells me where all the decent restaurants are etc etc
    I am getting bored with this list - but it is way ahead of PCM
    The only downside, its all in Japanese - not a problem for me - I studied Japanese hard : )

    Secondly, Japanese characters won't work with PCM and phones here are not GSM

    All cars come into Japan as my car ( photo in the page before) but most people put in a navigation system. Mine cost USD 4000.00 including fitting.

    LHD or RHD? All manual cars are LHD - Tiptronic cars come both LHD and RHD. The President of Porsche Japan has RHD (tiptronic) but most people remember the old days when the pedals in RHD were so offset you would have your right foot below the steering wheel - not a nice way to drive! The other reason is most Jap's like the cars in LHD because how Porsche builds them! I had a 2003 996 in RHD (tiptronic)my 997 is LHD manual.

    In Japan sometimes its better to drive a LHD car because of the narrow streets - you can get very close to the kerb without mashing your alloys AND jump out of the car quickly!

    I am in Sydney until Jan but will take some snaps when I get back to Tokyo for anyone who is interested!

    Helios - where in Japan are you? What motor are you driving?


    what is this pioneer system? can you post a link or a picture please?

    Dec 26, 2005 1:48:11 PM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Helios, Yokohama? Cool! I love the Daisan keihin! My wife is from Yokohama! Are you Japanese?

    DHayek

    The Pioneer is only available in Japanese at the moment so not really good for you AND the GPS will only work in Japan BUT, please see the below link, I can't remember the model I have but it is the one with a touch screen.

    http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/cybernavi/lineup/xh990/index.html

    Dec 27, 2005 12:48:01 AM

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    Porky, I am a Japanese by nationality, American by education, European by profession, and happen to get along well with Aussies.

    Dec 27, 2005 1:57:41 AM

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    Helios!
    Cool! I am in Indian origin, born in London, worked in Australia and since 2003 Tokyo! I am going to organise a drive for Rennteam guys in Tokyo! Would be great if you can make it!

    Dec 27, 2005 2:13:23 AM

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    Re: 997 without monitor, 997 videos

    Wow - that Pioneer system looks very cool, shame the software isnt portable.
     
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