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Dec 21, 2005 6:59:40 PM

Paul S in TX: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 259, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 20, 2002; Reply to: Mats

Re: Bose missing...

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Mats said:
Does anyone have the normal sound system? Is it that bad?
Just curious...

Mats

I don't have Bose in my Club Coupe and that was on purpose. I listened to both and didn't like the Bose. But a lot depends on what you listen to and how loudly.

On mainly CD's at reasonable volume levels, I have plenty of bass response vs. the Bose which tends to be so boomy that when I tried it out, I ended up defeating the bass to -3 and turning off the loudness.

On broadcast radio, the bass response on the standard system tends to be weak.

And if you really want to listen to your music very loud--as you would in a Cab to overcome the wind noise, then you're not going to be happy with the stock system.

Frankly, I find myself keeping the stereo at reasonable levels because the X51 with the Porsche Sport Exhaust in the always on position is a joy to listen to. I don't want the stereo up so loud as to drown out the engine's song. So I am quite happy with mine and the decision to pass on the Bose.

BTW, there is no comparison between 996's and the 997's on the stereo issue--the standard system in the 997's is much better than the standard stereo (non-Bose) system in the 996's.

Maybe you need to hear it for yourself and decide? My guess is since you ordered it, you should get the Bose and put the heat on your dealer and Porsche to get you a replacement order pronto.

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Dec 21, 2005 7:38:38 PM

AJVIP: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1862, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2005; Reply to: Paul S in TX

Re: Bose missing...

BLOSE isn't worth the extra money.

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Dec 21, 2005 7:47:53 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: AJVIP

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Yeah it is funny, but I use the stereo in the 997 differently, I'm always looking for cops (because they're always looking for Porsches!) listening to engine, and not really relaxing to music driving it. There's just too much going on. In my BMW I put the thing on cruise and just glide along effortlessly and surrounded by beautiful music, blending in with the rest of the traffic (in the passing lane of course

).

So maybe the enhanced sound system is a great idea in a sedan-ish BMW but a waste in the Carrera for most people.

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Dec 21, 2005 8:18:24 PM

AJVIP: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1862, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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True MMD

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Dec 21, 2005 9:06:19 PM

tooner: Veteran; Loc: SF-Bay Area; Posts: 832, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 8, 2005; Reply to: AJVIP

Re: Bose missing...

I have the Upgraded BLOSE [LOL..ajcastaneda ]

I like it but MMD is right I hardly use it... maybe during traffic I use it, but once that needle starts to play at 4000 to 6500 RPMS forget it my sound systems the PSE...

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Dec 21, 2005 9:18:00 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14183, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: tooner

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My car was the place where I used to listen to my music as at home I have two (soon three) small children. But since I got my 997 with PSE, I can't enjoy music in the car anymore. It is always fighting with the car sound....

Make more of a fuss, get enough compensation to feel happy, then you can let go and enjoy your car..

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Dec 21, 2005 9:22:20 PM

AJVIP: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1862, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2005; Reply to: tooner

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I only put it on to play Zero 7 when I'm driving a potential date home

Puts the women in a

kind of mood, which helps make

easier...and well, there's no smiley available for what comes next...but I feel like

You would think that Porsche would make a higher end system available on a higher end car...I mean if Lexus has a Mark Levinson set-up, Porsches should at LEAST have a Classe Audio set-up or something...

I didn't even want the freakin' Blose on my 987S but my dealer threw it in there anyway. Now I don't have a storage bin behind my seats for the things I carry in my car (see the separate thread on this board)

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Dec 21, 2005 9:26:39 PM

FARGO: Co-Pilot; Loc: crazyland (B); Posts: 266, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2005; Reply to: AJVIP

Re: Bose missing...

unbelievable that a dealer makes mistakes like this,
its so simple to make notes what options you want , and check this together,before order

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Dec 21, 2005 9:27:29 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: Bose missing...

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69bossnine said:
How exactly does one know that the "qualified installer" did a "proper" job, without going right back in behind them and checking the work??

Call me anal. I know I am.

No, it's backwards. You're not anal, they're "wrecktal."

BTW, it's unbelieveable sometimes (like "where's the camera, I must be on TV!") I got tires on another car, was coming home at night and one of them went flat because valve stem wasn't properly seated. When the "installers" heard about it they seemed to think I was too fussy to expect no incidents on the way home.

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Dec 21, 2005 11:12:12 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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This is about right vs. wrong, not Bose vs. Non-Bose.
Not only did you order Bose, but you paid for it. If it isn't in your car and they won't refund the money, it could be seen as breach of trust and contract.

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Dec 21, 2005 11:23:47 PM

JamesC: Junior; Loc: London, UK; Posts: 105, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 7, 2005; Reply to: vtach88

Re: Bose missing...

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vtach88 said:
This is about right vs. wrong, not Bose vs. Non-Bose.

I think it's also about more than that. It's about the reliability of the Porsche order management system and possibly the reliability of the salesmen.

Did you get a computer generated specification sheet when you ordered? If you didn't, it could be dealer error.

If you did, however, that means that the error might have ocurred in the Porsche factory itself, which is worrying.

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Dec 22, 2005 2:57:08 AM

Mats: Newbie; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2005; Reply to: JamesC

Re: Bose missing...

I do have the spec. sheet but the dealer said it's the importer's fault. We made some changes "last minute" and the importer said we were still on time. I got PSE, I got short shift... but I lost BOSE. It's just weird they accepted some stuff and some not. After all I got lucky. Imagine if they forgot PSE!
Anyway, I am not getting charged for it. Today I got extra discount, free heated seats and free wheel spacers. I told him I need a few days to decide...
Btw, are you sure I get more room in the back because of the missing subwoofer? That would be good news since I need room for my golf clubs. :-)
Once again, thanks SO MUCH for your help. you guys are great!

Mats

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Dec 22, 2005 7:20:50 AM

superfans: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 150, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 22, 2005; Reply to: Mats

Re: Bose missing...

Bose is good.

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Dec 22, 2005 7:30:07 AM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: Mats

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Just my humble opinion. To me, a discount here does not alter the fact that you are paying 80 + k for a car that does NOT have everything you want. There is no question I would not take the car.

The Bose is no audiophile system (I own CJ tube pre amp and Linn TT/CJ phono amp feeding Quad/Magnepan/Thiel for a frame of reference.), but it is "fun" to listen to. The hump in the mid bass doesn't even bother me any more. It does the ka thump thump thump all the times but somehow this is perfect for a car.

(Sort of a "guilty pleasure" for certain audiophile, I guess.)

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Mats said:
I do have the spec. sheet but the dealer said it's the importer's fault. We made some changes "last minute" and the importer said we were still on time. I got PSE, I got short shift... but I lost BOSE. It's just weird they accepted some stuff and some not. After all I got lucky. Imagine if they forgot PSE!
Anyway, I am not getting charged for it. Today I got extra discount, free heated seats and free wheel spacers. I told him I need a few days to decide...
Btw, are you sure I get more room in the back because of the missing subwoofer? That would be good news since I need room for my golf clubs. :-)
Once again, thanks SO MUCH for your help. you guys are great!

Mats

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Dec 22, 2005 5:55:04 PM

pic911s: Junior; Loc: canada; Posts: 145, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 2, 2005; Reply to: Mats

Re: Bose missing...

With the PSE installed, your listeneing to the most beautiful music that could evr be played in your car. I hardly listen to my streo and I don't even have pse (xmas present coming

) yet. Base stereo is fine from my perspective as that is not why I'm in the car anyway. IF I want to listen to nice music in a relaxing atmosphere I get in my Lexus. In my P car the only sound I like to hear is the engine above 5000rpm. If the dealer has given you some free stuff and tried to mak it right I wouldn't want to wait, but then again if this is your dream car and the bose is part of that then you should get what you asked for. Don't know if a retrofit is possible? By the way heated seats are divine especially on a cool summer evening

Good luck

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Dec 22, 2005 7:09:53 PM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Bose missing...

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MMD said:
Especially since the Bose system has more bass which is a "kid's" music thing anyway. My $.02

I wholeheartly disagree. Take whatever form of music you wish, classical, opera, classic rock, it doesn't matter. Demo the music on a system with no subwoofer & then on a system WITH a properly tuned subwoofer and I will guarantee you that you will prefer the system with the sub. Unless you like your music sounding like AM radio that is.

and for the actual topic @ hand, it is entirely not acceptable for you to not get a 100% refund for not getting the blose...i mean bose system. You paid for it, so why shouldn't you get it? Like many others have suggested, i would raise holy hell @ that place to either your money back for what the bose is worth or some other form of compensation that equals the bose price

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Dec 22, 2005 8:25:57 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: sdy284

Re: Bose missing...

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sdy284 said:
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MMD said:
Especially since the Bose system has more bass which is a "kid's" music thing anyway. My $.02

I wholeheartly disagree. Take whatever form of music you wish, classical, opera, classic rock, it doesn't matter. Demo the music on a system with no subwoofer & then on a system WITH a properly tuned subwoofer and I will guarantee you that you will prefer the system with the sub. Unless you like your music sounding like AM radio that is.

Okay, good point.

Just something I heard anyway.

Have you compared the bass of the standard system to the bass of the Bose system? My bet is the standard system's bass is better than an AM radio.

The comment I made reference to was that the Bose system has way more added bass so the "rappers" would be attracted to it.

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Dec 22, 2005 8:38:33 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: Mats

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Bottom line, make sure you get the car spec'd EXACTLEY like you want, you'll be unhappy in the long run if you don't. BTW I have Bose and like the sound over the standard offering, but I do find myself more times than not listening to the motor rev while driving....it is so smooth.

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Dec 22, 2005 8:39:16 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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I'm not a rapper, I'm a Seattle Grunge slash Texas Boogie slash Devil Metal slash Modern Jazz slash everything else guy, and I run between +4 - +6 on my bass, depending on how the CD is mixed. I like to listed LOUD, and I like to here that bass drum kicking me in the head, and the bass guitarist's thumb plucking. Gotta have the subwoofer, or I miss the low-end punch I crave. When you listen loud, if you don't have a strong low-end, the mids and highs overpower your ears like a high-speed drill.

Anyhow, it sounds as-if our man Mats is getting over the initial let-down, and is o.k. with the standard setup. All's well that ends well, if he's content long-term with the outcome.

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Dec 22, 2005 8:40:31 PM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Bose missing...

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MMD said:
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sdy284 said:
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MMD said:
Especially since the Bose system has more bass which is a "kid's" music thing anyway. My $.02

I wholeheartly disagree. Take whatever form of music you wish, classical, opera, classic rock, it doesn't matter. Demo the music on a system with no subwoofer & then on a system WITH a properly tuned subwoofer and I will guarantee you that you will prefer the system with the sub. Unless you like your music sounding like AM radio that is.

Okay, good point. Just something I heard anyway.

Have you compared the bass of the standard system to the bass of the Bose system? My bet is the standard system's bass is better than an AM radio.

The comment I made reference to was that the Bose system has way more added bass so the "rappers" would be attracted to it.

no i haven't compared the two systems. And I'm in no way saying the "standard" system sounds like AM radio. I'm saying that if you listened to a good subwoofer equipped system then went back to no sub, the system without the sub would sound like its "missing" something. A good subwoofer setup adds a whole level of warmth & wholeness to any type of music

And for that matter, Bose is incapable of producing the tones that a real subwoofer can produce. Ask any person who is into hometheater (me) or just audio in general and you'll find thousands upon thousands of people who will bash bose & their "bass modules" until they turn blue in the face. I dont know what your experiance is with home audio equipment, but you should go into a higher end electronics shop (tweeter comes to mind, but defininately not best buy or circuit city) and ask to listen to some music (you can bring your own cd of music you like) and have them use a subwoofer then on the same system, remove the sub and listen to the difference, its stunning. but i could go on and on about audio stuff, so i'll just stop for now

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Dec 22, 2005 8:51:55 PM

AJVIP: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1862, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2005; Reply to: sdy284

Re: Bose missing...

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sdy284 said:
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MMD said:
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sdy284 said:
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MMD said:
Especially since the Bose system has more bass which is a "kid's" music thing anyway. My $.02

I wholeheartly disagree. Take whatever form of music you wish, classical, opera, classic rock, it doesn't matter. Demo the music on a system with no subwoofer & then on a system WITH a properly tuned subwoofer and I will guarantee you that you will prefer the system with the sub. Unless you like your music sounding like AM radio that is.

Okay, good point. Just something I heard anyway.

Have you compared the bass of the standard system to the bass of the Bose system? My bet is the standard system's bass is better than an AM radio.

The comment I made reference to was that the Bose system has way more added bass so the "rappers" would be attracted to it.

no i haven't compared the two systems. And I'm in no way saying the "standard" system sounds like AM radio. I'm saying that if you listened to a good subwoofer equipped system then went back to no sub, the system without the sub would sound like its "missing" something. A good subwoofer setup adds a whole level of warmth & wholeness to any type of music

And for that matter, Bose is incapable of producing the tones that a real subwoofer can produce. Ask any person who is into hometheater (me) or just audio in general and you'll find thousands upon thousands of people who will bash bose & their "bass modules" until they turn blue in the face. I dont know what your experiance is with home audio equipment, but you should go into a higher end electronics shop (tweeter comes to mind, but defininately not best buy or circuit city) and ask to listen to some music (you can bring your own cd of music you like) and have them use a subwoofer then on the same system, remove the sub and listen to the difference, its stunning. but i could go on and on about audio stuff, so i'll just stop for now

Yeah, Bose can't touch a real subwoofer, not even the ones in any of their cars. For their HT stuff, the reason they call them bass modules is because they cut off at 50-55Hz which is way too high of a frequency to be considered a "subwoofer". Main speakers (especially floorstanding models) can reach far below 50 Hz. True subs will give you decent SPL's below 30Hz...there's nothing "Sub" about Bose's bass module.

I agree with SDY, you need a sub properly tuned. However, if you're like Boss and are a bass nut, then who gives a damn, turn the bass levels up until your license plate frame starts rattling

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Dec 22, 2005 8:57:26 PM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: AJVIP

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lol, well then me and Boss have something in common. But the key to having great bass is having the midrange & the highs to go with it, so you dont drown out the rest of the music

and you're right on about the speakers. My floorstanding Infinity alpha 50's go down to 35hz and they have dual 8" woofers. But this isn't low enough & thats why I have my SVS PB10-ISD to hit all the low notes & to annoy my neighbors

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Dec 22, 2005 9:02:07 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: sdy284

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However, if you're like Boss and are a bass nut, then who gives a damn, turn the bass levels up until your license plate frame starts rattling

Awwwe Yeaaaahhhhhh!!!!

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Dec 23, 2005 2:23:28 AM

Mats: Newbie; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: Bose missing...

Anyhow, it sounds as-if our man Mats is getting over the initial let-down, and is o.k. with the standard setup. All's well that ends well, if he's content long-term with the outcome.

To be honest with you I haven't decided yet. I told my dealer I am gonna tell him after X-mas.
I like music a lot (classical is my favourite) but I am not an expert nor an addicted. Some of you REALLY are! I feel so ignorant...

Well, you told me it's not the best thing around anyway, right? So I am trying to see the positive side of what happened. I got an overall discount of 6.5K $ plus heated seats and wheel spacers for free. I don't think it's so bad. What discount do you normally get?

Mats

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Dec 23, 2005 4:35:10 AM

SVNSVN: Rennteam Pro; Loc: CA, USA; Posts: 2994, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: Mats

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Mats,

Yeah, give it some thought- smart!

It does sound as if you've been given a very proper discount, and the heated seats are a great option. It just depends if you can live without the upgrade- especially since you're really into music. Tough call.

Good luck!

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Dec 23, 2005 5:17:45 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: sdy284

Re: Bose missing...

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sdy284 said:
you'll find thousands upon thousands of people who will bash bose & their "bass modules" until they turn blue in the face.

I dont know what your experiance is with home audio equipment, but you should go into a higher end electronics shop (tweeter comes to mind, but defininately not best buy or circuit city) and ask to listen to some music (you can bring your own cd of music you like) and have them use a subwoofer then on the same system, remove the sub and listen to the difference, its stunning.

Good points

Thanks. I'll try to do as you suggest (if I ever get the frickin' time

)

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