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    Nov 19, 2005 8:57:56 PM

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    997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    Here we are again, I think we should really let Porsche know, what we're expecting.
    So how much much would you expect on the new 997 Turbo, so that you would consider buying one?
    PLEASE: do yourself a favor and try to vote honestly. Of course everybody wants as much power as possible but we want an HONEST opinion based on a reality check and no fantasy. Thanks.

    Nov 19, 2005 8:58:51 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    520 from me ...

    throt..

    Nov 19, 2005 9:02:03 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    520 from me ...

    throt..



    You don't need to reply to the thread but of course you can. Especially people who may get a 997 Turbo should vote, it is very important. But keep in mind that Porsche already made a decision, you can click that 540 HP as much as you want, it won't change anything with the final decision. Just in case somebody thinks this poll may persuade Porsche to offer more power. Nope. But it may help to unveill a possible gap between customer expecations and the possible reality. Or maybe there won't be a gap, the better.

    Nov 19, 2005 9:06:42 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    500 is what I expect. Given the new turbo technology and the world of different driving modes we now come to expect/see I wouldn't be surprised if there would be some kind of eco (460), normal (480) and race (500) modes. These modes would also have different mappings for torque also... But I am only guessing...and hoping

    Nov 19, 2005 9:28:05 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    Quote:
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    520 from me ...

    throt..



    You don't need to reply to the thread but of course you can. Especially people who may get a 997 Turbo should vote, it is very important. But keep in mind that Porsche already made a decision, you can click that 540 HP as much as you want, it won't change anything with the final decision. Just in case somebody thinks this poll may persuade Porsche to offer more power. Nope. But it may help to unveill a possible gap between customer expecations and the possible reality. Or maybe there won't be a gap, the better.



    RC,

    I voted for 500HP only because that is what I "expect" based on the competition from cars like the F430 and ZO6, and that is what the most legitimate rumours here and on onlyPorsche.net have suggested-onlyPorsche.net actually said 480 for the 997TT and 525 for the 997TTS, but latest "noise" from rennteam makes me think TT gets 500 (good marketing #) and TTS gets at least 525, if not more-?540.

    Of course, I WISH they would go with AT LEAST 540 for the TT and 580 for the TTS-I bet there is plenty of "reserve" in the 997TT powerplant to reliably make that much HP, but of course the higher the factory HP rating, the smaller the margin for "error" in terms of reliability, and, thus, the higher the warranty coverage costs for Porsche if 997TT buyers have to more frequently have their cars serviced for warranty-covered issues during the 4-year warranty period-for example, with more power generated, it is harder to keep the engine cool-think about the Bugatti Veyron's cooling troubles. Here is an aside: I wish Porsche would offer a 997TT with a big power upgrade-like 600HP-I would be willing to buy one, even if priced higher and with a shorter warranty period, such as 2 years. So, in reality, 500 and 525 for TT and TTS are my "guesses" as I "predicted" a few months ago.

    RC, how about another poll on peak torque figures. I remember when you first hinted that the 997TT would have at least 600Nm torque as low as something like 1,500rpm, with recent rumours suggesting peak torque of 700-800Nm. Set up a poll for peak torque, and let's see how "accurate" rennteamers are compared to the offically announced specs.!

    Nov 19, 2005 9:55:46 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    500 + if they are to rally get some press , in the year 2006 a super car that cost that much and is supposedly one of the kings of the hill must have at lest 500 or close ... it is kind of the new gold standard . The problem with Porsche is that they are so concerned with maximizing profit they will probably want to introduce other models over time of the same car with more HP so they may keep the number lower than it could be to play this game . And it is a game like the $ 15, 000.00 option for the power option on the current 997 and striping the 997 of the power that the 997S has ... yep a game , but a very profitable game but it is not buyer friendly .

    I bet it will be 480 and then later there will be a new model with 500.. then a power option that will take it to 530 then the S version that will be 560 and 200K you know the deal . And all the while they could just give us the 560 today and cut to the chase and just have one model if you are buying a turbo you want as much as is available and are not going to want a car with less HP to save $$ .

    As much as the MSRP mark stinks with Ferrari and the 430 they gave the car and made the car all they could then released it and will make basically the same car for many years and not frustrate their customers with releasing little so called advances they had all along . It would be so nice to just buy a 430 at MSRP and be done with it . Every time I buy a Porsche within a year or so I feel like I need to sell it becuase they are always releasing these big model enhancements I do not want to miss out on .

    Sorry for the rant but it gets old , the CGT was done right one model that had all they had put into it . And even if it means a higher price tag for the Turbo I think that is the way it should be released without the pre-planed watered down models so they can add the real deal later and call it a different model or option .... anyone else feel the same ?

    Nov 20, 2005 12:35:55 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    RC,

    I voted for 500HP only because that is what I "expect" based on the competition from cars like the F430 and ZO6, and that is what the most legitimate rumours here and on onlyPorsche.net have suggested-onlyPorsche.net actually said 480 for the 997TT and 525 for the 997TTS, but latest "noise" from rennteam makes me think TT gets 500 (good marketing #) and TTS gets at least 525, if not more-?540.

    Of course, I WISH they would go with AT LEAST 540 for the TT and 580 for the TTS-I ......




    Same here. Around 500hp is what I expect, but I'm hoping for more.

    Nov 20, 2005 3:32:54 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    Though I probably won't buy one, I certainly hope the turbo has 500 hp, but I doubt it. Lately, when has Porsche pleasantly surprised its customers with a large performance gain for one of its new models? I'm thinking 460-480 for the turbo. I just think Porsche has determined they don't really face competition from competitvely priced cars with greater performance. It's just not the same company that won all those Le Mans victories.

    Nov 20, 2005 4:56:22 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    460hp,but I`m hoping for more

    Nov 20, 2005 7:55:30 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    460hp,but I`m hoping for more



    Both of you guys are still running on old fumes. The car will have around 500 HP, the 460 HP rumors are two years old.

    Nov 20, 2005 7:57:56 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    Chirstian good pole..

    i let you know my opinion

    I'm waiting a 997 Gt3..but if the Turbo will have more that 510 HP i will change my order from the Gt3 to the Turbo..

    So...this is what i need.. 520HP

    And i let you know that a little birdie tell me that near the end of this month and maybe also next week there will be two official announcement ....(GT3 and Turbo?!?!?!)

    can't wait..

    Nov 20, 2005 8:08:02 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    Chirstian good pole..

    i let you know my opinion

    I'm waiting a 997 Gt3..but if the Turbo will have more that 510 HP i will change my order from the Gt3 to the Turbo..

    So...this is what i need.. 520HP

    And i let you know that a little birdie tell me that near the end of this month and maybe also next week there will be two official announcement ....(GT3 and Turbo?!?!?!)

    can't wait..



    Dario,

    from what I understand the Turbo S will have approximately 525 HP. You might want to take a look at it

    Nov 20, 2005 10:11:31 AM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    Quote:
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    Chirstian good pole..

    i let you know my opinion

    I'm waiting a 997 Gt3..but if the Turbo will have more that 510 HP i will change my order from the Gt3 to the Turbo..

    So...this is what i need.. 520HP

    And i let you know that a little birdie tell me that near the end of this month and maybe also next week there will be two official announcement ....(GT3 and Turbo?!?!?!)

    can't wait..



    Dario,

    from what I understand the Turbo S will have approximately 525 HP. You might want to take a look at it



    Nov 20, 2005 10:56:37 AM

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    Hi I'm new here !

    480 For me

    Nov 20, 2005 12:21:22 PM

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    I have not even received my C4S, that I already think about the day I could buy a Turbo..... This has no end ... and this forum just feeds my P addiction!!!

    Nov 20, 2005 1:12:53 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    IMO 500hp is the minimum acceptable.

    Nov 20, 2005 1:33:30 PM

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    490hp exactly as the f430monza, with th exception it has two turbo's

    Nov 20, 2005 5:14:23 PM

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    I have not even received my C4S, that I already think about the day I could buy a Turbo..... This has no end ... and this forum just feeds my P addiction!!!



    Gnil,

    Perhaps there still is time to change your order to the Turbo?

    Nov 20, 2005 6:33:00 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    508HP,
    993 Turbo + 100HP.
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    Nov 20, 2005 6:35:41 PM

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    520hp 996Turbo+100hp

    Nov 20, 2005 6:53:51 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    480bhp!

    Maybe 500-550 on a Turbo S if that happens. Porsche don't seem to be in the habit of giving the power people want. Also the car will be more than adequate for most of their buyers with less than that. So why would they give it?

    The Carrera S proves they can do a lot with very 'average' power. A 997 Turbo with 480 will be more than a match for its competitors at a much lower price!

    Clever blades in the turbines or not! Porsche have never been generous when handing out bhp!!! (Carrera GT excepted!)

    ...Add

    Nov 20, 2005 7:03:56 PM

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    They will spread it out over different models and options over a period of a year or two don't you think ? That is the way they can milk the most money out of the HP they are capable of giving the car . I do not mean to be syndical but why would they miss any opportunity to make as much money as possible , and that is not a bad thing .. just frustrating when you buy a car from them only to hear about a big improvement in the form of an option or new model they had all along .

    Nov 20, 2005 8:31:06 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    The 997 turbo is on my 'todo' list once it hits the market. Yes power is important, the more the better, but more important than raw horsepower is the balance of the car. Weight, power, acceleration, braking all must fit together to create a suberb car for the twisties. Personally, I would be more interested in seeing the car lose significant weight through top notch german engineering than gain 20 extra hp. HP is a number for the dyno, acceleration and precise handling is the measure for the road.

    Living in North America top speed is not as important as other driving characteristics. Do not get me wrong; it is nice to have top end speed, but more importantly is on demand power for accelerating around other drivers. The new Turbo should be a class leading car. It should accelerate and handle better than any competitor, at the same time being able to be driven daily.

    We will see what Porsche delivers. I have high hopes.

    Nov 20, 2005 9:41:12 PM

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    480...mainly because I think they need room for an S and a GT2.
    I mean let's be reasonable, isn't 480 hp enough?

    Nov 21, 2005 3:31:35 AM

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    Just some speculation...

    As a very clever marketing organization, Porsche will make sure the 997TT has performance that is a better than the F430 and other similar cars. Whether they label the 997TT as "480 hp", "500 hp" or "508 hp" I can't be sure, but more importantly it will be designed so that even the average magazine will get better performance from the 997TT than its competitors. As for the official hp, 508hp is a tempting rumor because this figure is above some commonly tossed around numbers (490hp for F430, 500hp, 507hp for M5, etc). The whole 408hp + 100hp (see the VTG thread) thing is there too. So I think 508 may be true, because it makes a nice marketing ploy, but more importantly, the I believe car will be a beast that will be the new benchmark even if Porsche says it only has 460-480hp. Just my opinion.

    mcdelaug

    Nov 21, 2005 11:46:05 AM

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    Just some speculation...

    As a very clever marketing organization, Porsche will make sure the 997TT has performance that is a better than the F430 and other similar cars. Whether they label the 997TT as "480 hp", "500 hp" or "508 hp" I can't be sure, but more importantly it will be designed so that even the average magazine will get better performance from the 997TT than its competitors. As for the official hp, 508hp is a tempting rumor because this figure is above some commonly tossed around numbers (490hp for F430, 500hp, 507hp for M5, etc). The whole 408hp + 100hp (see the VTG thread) thing is there too. So I think 508 may be true, because it makes a nice marketing ploy, but more importantly, the I believe car will be a beast that will be the new benchmark even if Porsche says it only has 460-480hp. Just my opinion.

    mcdelaug



    Agreed. There likely will also be much made of the low-end torque from the VTG technology and how it enables the car to drive as hard as or harder than other cars bewteen 1,500-2,500rpm's with NA engines with gargantuan displacement (e.g., the 7.0L XO6). But I still think 500HP (+/- 5-10HP) is in the ballpark-for the non-"S" 997TT.

    Nov 21, 2005 3:47:26 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    520 for the TT and 540+ for the S.
    They need to leave the competition behind both handling-wise and data-wise.
    Since the CGT is sold in such few numbers, I would even suspect that raising the bar further with the new TT would be a possibility. (560-580BHP)

    Also a 580-620 BHP engine for the new GT2 would not compete with the CGT, since the audience aren't the same.
    I wouldnt be surprised if they packed the upper 911-line with more oompf than we think.

    Nov 21, 2005 4:13:25 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

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    520 for the TT and 540+ for the S.


    They won't be able to charge the big premium for less than 4% increased power for the S...

    Nov 21, 2005 5:04:21 PM

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    Re: 997 Turbo - how much power would you expect? POLL!!!

    I think anywhere between 480-520 is realistic for the 997TT plus 20-40 more for the 997TTS. Porsche doesn't appear anywhere near as generous as we would like them to be. But who knows - it's christmas!?

    Nov 21, 2005 6:34:56 PM

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    520 for the TT and 540+ for the S.
    They need to leave the competition behind both handling-wise and data-wise.
    Since the CGT is sold in such few numbers, I would even suspect that raising the bar further with the new TT would be a possibility. (560-580BHP)

    Also a 580-620 BHP engine for the new GT2 would not compete with the CGT, since the audience aren't the same.
    I wouldnt be surprised if they packed the upper 911-line with more oompf than we think.



    That would be awesome. I mean seriously, with the current trend in oil prices and the environmental studies, these cars might actually be the last of their kind. Why not make them memorable?
     
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