Crown

Board: Porsche - 911 - 997 Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Nov 14, 2005 11:02:18 PM

    Turbo Al Offline
    Rennteam Pro
    Turbo Al
    Loc: Rochester, New York , United States
    Posts: 2531, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 3, 2005
    Reply to: Lazy Cat

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    Cookie Monster said:
    I have strictly no infos about the 997 Turbo, but i would just say that Porsche has to keep a coherent range of power for their models.

    After the turbo, they will have to fit the 997gt2 between the turbo and the CGT, so i wouldn't expect more than 480bhp for the standard turbo.

    The 996 GT2(480bhp) was not very far from the cgt in acceleration and top speed, so what will happen with a 550bhp 997gt2.....?



    I wouldn't let the CGT act as a ceiling on the 911's power and performance stats., the CGT is a limited-production model, and the 911 is still the flagship. Heck, the 993TTS was about as fast 0-60mph as the CGT. BTW, a 550HP 997GT2 would rock.

    Nov 14, 2005 11:02:45 PM

    fritz
    Rennteam VIP
    fritz
    Loc: BaWü , Germany
    Posts: 10248, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 23, 2003
    Reply to: JimFlat6

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    But the stated 1000 degree centigrade exhaust temperature is very interesting! It might also be a emissions breakthrough for a gasolene engine?

    With that exhaust temp will the engine incinerate 100% of its own emissions? Will it even need catalytic converters?
    Could it even use them?

    Im really excited and hope this is the big breakthrough! The near instantaneous power it makes, throttle response and emissions control could lead to a special new government
    classification for the 997TT - "SFSULEV" : Super Fast Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle!

    It may make a Toyota Prius look like a BIG Polluter!



    The 1000 deg C temp is not exceptional for gasoline engines, Jim. It's just higher than the temp at the turbine inlet of diesel engines, which variable geometry tubos have been used on up until now.

    Nov 14, 2005 11:03:34 PM

    Texas911
    Senior
    Texas911
    Loc: Houston, Texas - USA
    Posts: 766, Gallery
    Registered on: Aug 21, 2003
    Reply to: Lazy Cat

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Yikes! I'm hoping they iron things out before they go into production, because VTG seems awfully complex, we're talking about a company who couldn't master the static electricity from the headlight covers here.

    Sounds awesome though. VTG DSG!

    Nov 14, 2005 11:10:21 PM

    JimFlat6
    Rennteam VIP
    JimFlat6
    Loc: Cave , United States
    Posts: 8633, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 25, 2004
    Reply to: Texas911

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Fritz, I was confused by the wording of the press release and its mention of special heat insulation materials for its exhaust system. Sometimes I dont read English well. Thanx!

    Nov 14, 2005 11:11:03 PM

    Turbo Al Offline
    Rennteam Pro
    Turbo Al
    Loc: Rochester, New York , United States
    Posts: 2531, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 3, 2005
    Reply to: Texas911

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    Texas911 said:
    Yikes! I'm hoping they iron things out before they go into production, because VTG seems awfully complex, we're talking about a company who couldn't master the static electricity from the headlight covers here.

    Sounds awesome though. VTG DSG!



    He, he,

    Interesting perspective. That's sort of been the Porsche rep.: Masterful design of the engine and drivetrain, but the radio doesn't work right. But I'll argue they should work on improving the latter without interfering with advances of the former.

    Nov 14, 2005 11:23:01 PM

    amjf088
    Co-Pilot
    amjf088
    Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada
    Posts: 256, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 6, 2005
    Reply to: Turbo Al

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Rennteam gurus:

    Thank you for the great scoop. Congratulations! I am very pleased that Porsche is doing this. It shows they are still pushing ahead technically...

    OK,

    I'm one of those guys who usually preaches about how the ultimate power of many cars these days is way out of the realm of usability in day to day driving, but man... 508 hp... that would be a remarkable spec for a production car that will no doubt maintian the current model's impressive reliability and tractability (well, improve the latter even). I do hope this rumor comes true.

    And radios... aren't they just substandard replacements for the engine note?

    Nov 15, 2005 2:14:23 AM

    DamienL
    Veteran
    DamienL
    Loc: Ontario, Canada
    Posts: 890, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 14, 2005
    Reply to: amjf088

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Awesome news!

    It makes waiting to see it and get some official power figures even harder.

    I hope the rumor of 508hp is true RC. That would be great.

    Nov 15, 2005 5:14:59 AM

    U Boat Commander
    Veteran
    U Boat Commander
    Loc: Los Angeles, CA
    Posts: 1250, Gallery
    Registered on: May 8, 2004
    Reply to: Lazy Cat

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Damm. Now I'm going to have to trade in my 997S for the Turbo and my 997S hasn't even been delivered yet.

    Nov 15, 2005 5:17:57 AM

    bostonmini
    Veteran
    bostonmini
    Loc:
    Posts: 924, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 31, 2003
    Reply to: U Boat Commander

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    I want one! the only thing is I must re-hash, does this kill it for tuners?

    Nov 15, 2005 5:42:51 AM

    krown05
    Veteran
    krown05
    Loc: Florida, United States
    Posts: 836, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 4, 2005
    Reply to: bostonmini

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    CAN'T WAIT!

    Nov 15, 2005 5:58:23 AM

    Super DariusM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Super Darius
    Loc: Italy-Como , Italy
    Posts: 4084, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 7, 2002
    Reply to: krown05

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    oh oh...

    Nov 15, 2005 8:27:17 AM

    Crash
    Rennteam VIP
    Crash
    Loc: Never been to , Antarctica
    Posts: 8287, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 17, 2002
    Reply to: Super DariusM

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    Super Darius said:
    oh oh...





    RC, does that mean he won't throw himself out the window?

    Nov 15, 2005 8:36:45 AM

    Boyko23 Offline
    Veteran
    Boyko23
    Loc: Sofia , Bulgaria
    Posts: 1116, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 27, 2004
    Reply to: Crash

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    What a great start of the day for me
    Great news...

    Nov 15, 2005 8:39:30 AM

    turbolite
    Veteran
    turbolite
    Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland
    Posts: 1012, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 26, 2004
    Reply to: Crash

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    I think it's an expression of desperation about the fact that the 997gt3 might get creamed by the 508 hp Über-TT !!

    Nov 15, 2005 8:42:29 AM

    dhayek Offline
    Rennteam Master
    dhayek
    Loc: Beirut , Lebanon
    Posts: 3839, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 7, 2004
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    508 hp!! if this is true ,well porsche would have left all competiton behind for 5 years... not only 508hp but 508 porsche hp....too good to be true

    Nov 15, 2005 10:28:57 AM

    temm
    Rennteam Master
    temm
    Loc: Oslo , Norway
    Posts: 4122, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 24, 2003
    Reply to: turbolite

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Wow, this looks very impressive

    With a torque-curve that looks like Denmark (as in very flat) from the VTG technology, and with (hopefully) 508 hp, the new Turbo is going to blow (pun intended) everything else off the road!!

    But then, the 911 Turbo has always been the Elvis Presley of the motorindustry - The King

    Think about it - the early 911 Turbo (930) was, as the young Elvis, known for its obscene hip-movements when that huge turbo kicked in or if you lifted mid-corner. Later it put on some weight, just like Elvis, and became more civilized. But still had enough charisma and performance to crush any competition, just like Elvis
    The only thing the Turbo doesn't have in common with Elvis is his eating habits, the 996 Turbo doesn't use much more fuel than the 930 Turbo....

    Nov 15, 2005 10:45:57 AM

    boytronic
    Veteran
    boytronic
    Loc: London , United Kingdom
    Posts: 961, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 5, 2005
    Reply to: temm

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    I spotted Elvis about 3 years ago, riding a bicycle in a small town near London - the King lives, and he has lost weight too!!

    Nov 15, 2005 11:45:04 AM

    Crash
    Rennteam VIP
    Crash
    Loc: Never been to , Antarctica
    Posts: 8287, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 17, 2002
    Reply to: boytronic

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    boytronic said:
    I spotted Elvis about 3 years ago, riding a bicycle in a small town near London - the King lives, and he has lost weight too!!



    Dementia - are you by any chance a Ferrari owner?

    Nov 15, 2005 12:51:40 PM

    temm
    Rennteam Master
    temm
    Loc: Oslo , Norway
    Posts: 4122, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 24, 2003
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Here it is: to celebrate the 911 Turbo, Porsche not only decided to introduce a new technology as a world premiere but also decided to add 100 horses to the power of the 993 Turbo, meaning 508 HP power for the next 997 Turbo.




    508 hp is incidentally 1 hp more than the BMW M5.
    By pure coincidence of course

    Nov 15, 2005 1:08:48 PM

    andrea
    Rennteam Master
    andrea
    Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy
    Posts: 3569, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 24, 2003
    Reply to: temm

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Dario, change your order or you will be SVERNICIATOOOOOO!!!!

    Nov 15, 2005 1:37:13 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: temm

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Guys, did I mention the word R U M O R ??? Don't get too enthusiastic.

    We have now four somehow valid rumors for the 997 Turbo engine power. 480, 483, 500 and 508 HP. Pick one...
    Honestly: I don't have a clue how much power the 997 Turbo finally has, I heard the mentioned four values from our sources, this is all I can say I'm afraid.
    If the 997 Turbo gets more power, the better. If it gets less than 480 HP, I would be highly disappointed and I'm afraid not only me but all other interested Turbo customers.

    Nov 15, 2005 1:47:19 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: bostonmini

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    bostonmini said:
    I want one! the only thing is I must re-hash, does this kill it for tuners?



    I'm afraid the new 997 Turbo will pose a problem for Tuners.
    Up to 50 HP more power or so, it shouldn't be problem by adapting the engine ECU software only, especially since the VTG technology actually offers some very interesting options to "play around" with ECU settings.
    But for serious tuning with different turbo chargers, etc., the VTG technology poses a very big problem. I'm not sure how Tuners will be able to cope with that, it will be an interesting challenge.

    Right now, I'm worrying more about WEIGHT. I heard various rumors about the 997 Turbo weight figure and to be honest, I didn't like any of them. They all indicate a weight increase (somewhere from 25 kg to 100 kg) which in my opinion wouldn't be too good. Up to 50 kg weight increase, I can live with that. But more...I don't know.

    Oh boy, just can't wait for the press release. BTW: the VTG press release is actually a part of the 997 Turbo press release as far as I heard. I wish they had published the whole thing, not just the VTG part.

    Nov 15, 2005 2:56:29 PM

    TestnDoc
    Newbie
    TestnDoc
    Loc: USA , United States
    Posts: 35, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 26, 2003
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    When is the full 997TT press release expected????

    Nov 15, 2005 3:35:29 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: TestnDoc

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    TestnDoc said:
    When is the full 997TT press release expected????



    I have two rumors: end of this month or next month. Hopefully.

    Nov 15, 2005 3:40:13 PM

    TestnDoc
    Newbie
    TestnDoc
    Loc: USA , United States
    Posts: 35, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 26, 2003
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    TestnDoc said:
    When is the full 997TT press release expected????


    SWEET!!
    I have two rumors: end of this month or next month. Hopefully.

    Nov 15, 2005 3:47:12 PM

    Turbo Al Offline
    Rennteam Pro
    Turbo Al
    Loc: Rochester, New York , United States
    Posts: 2531, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 3, 2005
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    bostonmini said:
    I want one! the only thing is I must re-hash, does this kill it for tuners?



    I'm afraid the new 997 Turbo will pose a problem for Tuners.
    Up to 50 HP more power or so, it shouldn't be problem by adapting the engine ECU software only, especially since the VTG technology actually offers some very interesting options to "play around" with ECU settings.
    But for serious tuning with different turbo chargers, etc., the VTG technology poses a very big problem. I'm not sure how Tuners will be able to cope with that, it will be an interesting challenge.

    Right now, I'm worrying more about WEIGHT. I heard various rumors about the 997 Turbo weight figure and to be honest, I didn't like any of them. They all indicate a weight increase (somewhere from 25 kg to 100 kg) which in my opinion wouldn't be too good. Up to 50 kg weight increase, I can live with that. But more...I don't know.

    Oh boy, just can't wait for the press release. BTW: the VTG press release is actually a part of the 997 Turbo press release as far as I heard. I wish they had published the whole thing, not just the VTG part.



    Yes, we are all interested in weight-control, and yes, we all understand that all power numbers are rumours only. But it's still fun to keep speculating. . . .

    Nov 15, 2005 4:11:36 PM

    SoCal Alan
    Rennteam VIP
    SoCal Alan
    Loc: Orange County , United States
    Posts: 7268, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 6, 2004
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    TestnDoc said:
    When is the full 997TT press release expected????



    I have two rumors: end of this month or next month. Hopefully.



    Does the press release include photos?

    Nov 15, 2005 4:36:51 PM

    Grant
    Rennteam VIP
    Grant
    Loc: Denver, CO , United States
    Posts: 12588, Gallery
    Registered on: Aug 21, 2002
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    RC said:Right now, I'm worrying more about WEIGHT. I heard various rumors about the 997 Turbo weight figure and to be honest, I didn't like any of them. They all indicate a weight increase (somewhere from 25 kg to 100 kg) which in my opinion wouldn't be too good. Up to 50 kg weight increase, I can live with that. But more...I don't know.


    RC - This is a big problem, imo. I think the 997TT will be an incredibly fast and competent (and safe) car. However, I don't expect it to be much fun to drive (I drive mostly on tight mountain roads and on the track)

    If I lived in Germany and could drive legally at 300kph, then I would certainly enjoy it more, otherwise, I think it has very limited appeal for me...

    Nov 15, 2005 5:40:02 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: SoCal Alan

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Quote:
    SoCal Alan said:

    Does the press release include photos?



    Yes.

    Nov 15, 2005 5:44:11 PM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59606, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: Grant

    Re: 997 turbo: VTG confirmed!

    Grant, I owned a 996 Turbo before and if the 997 Turbo is only 50 kg heavier, I have no problem with that. Porsche does a great job on "covering" weight, the Cayenne Turbo PK is a very good example. Most of my friends think I'm insane driving this truck the way I'm driving it, most sportscars drivers don't drive their toys the same way. Also look at the GT2/Turbo test results on the Nordschleife, not to forget about the VERY VERY impressive results of the heavy Lamborghini Murcielago in Hockenheim. I had the chance to drive the Murcielago a while ago and completely fell in love with this car. It is unbelievable what you can do with such a heavy beast and you have a hard time to tell the additional weight. Unbelievable engineering job.
     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 5/15/24 8:44 AM
    art.italy     		806284 1808
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		449450 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48     		267023 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA     		90434 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut     		7173 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 887140 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant     		835873 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 4/21/24 11:50 AM
    mcdelaug     		401461 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry     		397269 1526
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut     		385056 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker     		371591 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 5/12/24 6:23 PM
    blueflame     		294094 669
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 267214 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug     		244476 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel     		238959 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel     		222916 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug     		173471 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut     		145276 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA     		121564 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM     		113153 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		86108 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame     		76335 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		55327 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 5/18/24 9:44 PM
    Wonderbar     		27094 249
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy     		22040 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie     		20616 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997     		17342 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 4/23/24 1:24 PM
    RCA     		15055 225
    Motor Sp. 24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018 5/25/23 10:42 PM
    Grant     		11796 55
    Porsche Porsche Mission X Hypercar 12/3/23 8:52 AM
    996FourEss     		11222 63
    122 items found, displaying 1 to 30.