Sep 25, 2003 2:57:29 AM
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Ron (Houston)
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Sep 25, 2003 4:13:21 AM
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Re: First Turbo Cab. in Houston
It was indeed very nice to see a Turbo Cab in the flesh.
But like I told Ron, I wasn't particularly impressed. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a great car, but it just doesn't feel special enough, the wide body looks great, but the back spoiler looks too much with the typical fat bum from the 996 cabriolet. Which is why I believe that a C4S cab would arguably look better.
I personnally prefer Ron's Carrera with the body kit.
What really disappointed me is the fact that the interior is like any other 996. It should feel more special, this is a car that outruns the 360 Spider, the SL55, etc etc etc!!! It's too 996!
But some people like that though, typical Porsche understatement.
Car magazine summed it up really well IMO. The Turbo cab is a poser's car like any cabs which raises the following question:
If you're after the perfs, then get the Turbo Coupe and for the same money, if you're after the posing get the 360 Spider.
Where's does that leave the Turbo Cab?
Fanch.
PS: Attached are two pics I took at Austin's Porsche dealership on my visit with GM Austin.
These pics are from the back parking lot, they are cool but IMO also a bit worrying bc all these Cayennes are unsold!!!
The salesman was confident that they would each find an owner before the end of the year, I really hope so for him and for Porsche.
I love Porsche, I really wish for their success, but I haven't seen that many Cayennes on the streets and the BMW X5 4.8 is bad news for the Cayenne S. BTW, they were at least 40 Cayennes and not one Turbo.
But like I told Ron, I wasn't particularly impressed. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a great car, but it just doesn't feel special enough, the wide body looks great, but the back spoiler looks too much with the typical fat bum from the 996 cabriolet. Which is why I believe that a C4S cab would arguably look better.
I personnally prefer Ron's Carrera with the body kit.
What really disappointed me is the fact that the interior is like any other 996. It should feel more special, this is a car that outruns the 360 Spider, the SL55, etc etc etc!!! It's too 996!
But some people like that though, typical Porsche understatement.
Car magazine summed it up really well IMO. The Turbo cab is a poser's car like any cabs which raises the following question:
If you're after the perfs, then get the Turbo Coupe and for the same money, if you're after the posing get the 360 Spider.
Where's does that leave the Turbo Cab?
Fanch.
PS: Attached are two pics I took at Austin's Porsche dealership on my visit with GM Austin.
These pics are from the back parking lot, they are cool but IMO also a bit worrying bc all these Cayennes are unsold!!!
The salesman was confident that they would each find an owner before the end of the year, I really hope so for him and for Porsche.
I love Porsche, I really wish for their success, but I haven't seen that many Cayennes on the streets and the BMW X5 4.8 is bad news for the Cayenne S. BTW, they were at least 40 Cayennes and not one Turbo.
Re: First Turbo Cab. in Houston
fanch,
what are you doing in houston???
...couldn't have said it better, this really brings it to the point. the turbo cab is pointless IMO. and having the 997 in mind, depreciation will be high i suppose.
well, but there's one type of client for whom the TT cab is perfect...
- loves to drive top down, but is no poser and couldn't take the attention the spider gets
- has a lot of money, could take the depreciation but only wants one car which should work as a daily driver
- has never seen the interior of a boxster
- has never heard of the AMG SL 55
personally i still prefer the slim "ordinary" carrera cabs... way more elegant. i love the aggressive wide body look, but it doesn't suit the cab IMO.
what are you doing in houston???
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If you're after the perfs, then get the Turbo Coupe and for the same money, if you're after the posing get the 360 Spider.
...couldn't have said it better, this really brings it to the point. the turbo cab is pointless IMO. and having the 997 in mind, depreciation will be high i suppose.
well, but there's one type of client for whom the TT cab is perfect...
- loves to drive top down, but is no poser and couldn't take the attention the spider gets
- has a lot of money, could take the depreciation but only wants one car which should work as a daily driver
- has never seen the interior of a boxster
- has never heard of the AMG SL 55
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the wide body looks great, but the back spoiler looks too much with the typical fat bum from the 996 cabriolet. Which is why I believe that a C4S cab would arguably look better.
personally i still prefer the slim "ordinary" carrera cabs... way more elegant. i love the aggressive wide body look, but it doesn't suit the cab IMO.
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PS: Attached are two pics I took at Austin's Porsche dealership on my visit with GM Austin.
These pics are from the back parking lot, they are cool but IMO also a bit worrying bc all these Cayennes are unsold!!!
The salesman was confident that they would each find an owner before the end of the year, I really hope so for him and for Porsche.
oh my god!! what an alarming inventory!
porsche is giving their dealers a hard time!!! i suppose to get one turbo for their customers they have to order 5 cayennes and 2 boxsters
Re: First Turbo Cab. in Houston
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Very interesting place!
i can imagine! i've seen only the aiport of houston, nothing much else. but i've been to dallas a couple of times some years ago (for business though). texas is nice. never had better steaks. i wish i could remember the name of this awesome steak & seafood restaurant.
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The salesman told me the common selling ratio has become 5 Cayennes Sold for 1 Carrera.
unbelievable!!
My dear friend, here in United States, the vast majority of sports car owners are posers. When the Cayenne came out, people who originally were going to get the Carrera could now pose and still have some practicality. From a real world handling/performance point of view, the Cayenne fills their void. That is not to say that everyone who purchased a Cayenne is posing, but a lot of them are.
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what a breath of fresh air rennteam is!!!
Veritas Vos Liberabit: The truth will set you free
The Johns Hopkins University motto -- totally applicable at rennteam.
Thanks for the flowers, Watt.
I think Rennteam is a forum where adult (and sometimes adolescent) people can seriously talk about different sports cars and related issues using a bit of criticism without worshipping their own car too much.
It is interesting that our post/thread vs. read/view ratio seems to be substantially higher than on other car forums.
Or to give you an example: when I still had my 996 Turbo, I met a guy at my dealer who just bought one. We started to talk about the Turbo and after a while he interrupted our conversion, seriously (and with a red face
) asking me: "why the heck did you buy this car if you're not happy with it and Porsche?" Oh, I was very happy with my Turbo and even with Porsche, I only think that worshipping something you own isn't really good, even if you like it very much. There is no perfect sports car like there is no perfect woman (or man
).I think this forum is for people who want to have a broader perspective regarding their cars. It is like watching CNN, BBC, Fox News and Al Jazeera at the same time.
Not all people like it but we can live with it. As long as we don't earn money with Rennteam.com, this is purely a User's forum, no Ego growing place, no one man show (sometimes I feel flattered when I read "RC, please ..." but I'm sometimes as dumb or clueless as anybody else ) and definetely not cheap or even free advertisement for car companies.We're completely independent and everybody can say what he wants over here, as long as it happens in a civilized and adult manner. Hot temper is no problem, personal attacks or using bad language are a problem but suprisingly we never had to cope with such things over here.
And now I stop talkin BS and boring you guys...I just got carried away...bla bla.
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well, RC,
praise highly deserved.
i know from experience how defensive and vicious other boards can be when someone questions the perfection [or obvious imperfections] of a car they own!!! notice i said own, not read about... owned!!!
Currently, a few friends and myself are costantly under fire about the "negativity" of our posts at a certain AMG board. Rennteam is a breath of fresh air.
Sep 29, 2003 7:28:28 PM
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Sep 29, 2003 11:56:53 PM
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Ron (Houston)
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And now I stop talkin BS and boring you guys
No, no, it's not BS. It's all true. RennTeam has a different atmosphere than other forums. There are frequent differences of opinion but very little flaming. There also seems to be a high proportion of contributors who know what they are talking about. Now that is very unusual on a forum.
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The 996 TT Cab. looks great! I can't help but wonder why anyone would choose this car over a TT coupe(other than the fact that they just want a convertible TT)? Because in my opinion the coupe is so complete???
BTW, I am holding out on replacing the M5 until the 997 TT gets here(if I don't decide to get a Carrera 4 before the TT gets here).
BTW, I am holding out on replacing the M5 until the 997 TT gets here(if I don't decide to get a Carrera 4 before the TT gets here).
Oct 5, 2003 10:40:27 PM
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Ron (Houston)
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By chance is anyone here a 996 owner over 6'3? If so how comftarble is the interior for you?
6'4" (1,93m) --> I need "sunroof delete" and GT3 console delete to drive a 6-speed comfy with a helmet. Cab is no problem for head room as delivered, but shares the leg room issue.
BTW, when my X50 TT Cab arrives, I'll see you guys at Mid-Ohio for a few laps to see whose car is wussy!
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The seat goes back far enough to prevent knee-to-wheel interference (I wear 36" inseams). The only real problem is the awkward lower leg confinement by the standard console for heel-and-toe pedal work. I chose a Tiptronic for my '01 TT coupe for that reason. The TT Cab on order is a 6-speed because my wife wanted it that way (we'll share it) and that's fine with me. Some aftermarket pedals would probably make the heel-and-toe bit much better.
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Well to be exact Im 6-5". Earlier this year I went into BH Porsche and checked out a red C4S w/ tiptronic. Sat in the car and I felt very confined. I guess im going to have to make another trip to the dealer to toy around w/ seat/steering wheel adjustments and tyr to find a comftarble position? If the 996 Turbo doesnt work, hopefully the 997 Turbo will. Again I have heard that this car will have a longer wheelbase than the 996, which means more leg room for the driver and passanger. Congrats on your purchase W8MM, let us know how you like it!
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The seat goes back far enough to prevent knee-to-wheel interference (I wear 36" inseams). The only real problem is the awkward lower leg confinement by the standard console for heel-and-toe pedal work. I chose a Tiptronic for my '01 TT coupe for that reason. The TT Cab on order is a 6-speed because my wife wanted it that way (we'll share it) and that's fine with me. Some aftermarket pedals would probably make the heel-and-toe bit much better.
I can recommend the Techart pedals which make the Heel-and-toe issue disapear and perversly make more room available in the foot well. I am only a short a**e compaired to some of you guys (6 ft 1 and a 34" leg) but I have VERY large feet (forget driving a Caterham...) and this was the only solution I could come up with to make driving my GT3 a reality.
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