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    exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

    I guarantee you could spend one hundred years and never figure out why a number of 997S's show more soot in driver's side exhaust. I had a compression leak down test...completely normal, code check all OK, didn't burn oil..etc, etc...

    Then I installed a wide band O2 sensor to see if there was a difference in A/F ratios left vs. right bank....seemed there was a slight (.1) difference favoring richer on right bank...I also noted that under accel. it seemed the right bank's A/F's dropped quicker....still no definitive answer.

    I even let car idle for 40 mins and checked with no difference in soot left to right....AND THEN I noticed something very odd....I had a fan directly in middle of the front of the car blowing towards the rear....believe it or not the car's underside aerodynamics are skewed!!!! The driver's side of the engine and exhaust manifold is literally bathed in rapidly flowing air, HOWEVER, not so the passenger's side. I suspect the soot issue is a result of the uneveness of air cooling the underside of the engine and exhaust...the driver's side getting fresh cool air and the passenger's very little...resulting in the difference.

    Try out the experiment....put a fan on the ground in the front of the car dead center and go around to the back and feel the diffence.....

    I would love to here this explained....

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

    Hey hilsman, wow! Nice work.

    Of course my mental imbalance (joking) starts me wondering if the skewed aerodynamics you discovered are that way since there's no driver slightly weighing down the car on one side? When a guy's sitting there maybe it corrects itself? CRAZY idea yes, but... . Maybe there's a British underbody panel which is changed out for the right-side drive cars? LOL!

    I should also mention that an expert Porsche guy I know in real life suggested what you discovered but I gave it no serious amateur consideration.

    I noticed another thing too. Not sure of this yet. Completed a long highway trip and my entire rear bumper is slightly sooty too. It seems even on both sides of the bumper but not (obviously) on the tailpipes. Dealer service assures me car is operating correctly too. Will check it again more carefully.

    Yes, I enjoyed the long drive and didn't waste any time worrying about it.

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

    Forgot to mention, I have a wind speed meter which is accurate to some tiny amount. I'll try your fan idea when I get a chance. in next few days

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

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    MMD said:
    I noticed another thing too. Not sure of this yet. Completed a long highway trip and my entire rear bumper is slightly sooty too. It seems even on both sides of the bumper but not (obviously) on the tailpipes. Dealer service assures me car is operating correctly too.


    MMD, your mindset is still too timid with this car!! I lost track--maybe you are still break-in miles, but if you're doing any spirited driving, the rear end ought to be dusted with soot after 20 or 30 minutes. The back end of my 03M3 used to look like a coal-fired locomotive after a 45-minute M3 hellride through the hinterlands-- not abusing the car either, just getting on it some. Don't worry about that. Same for my 997S but slightly less exhaust particulate so far. For the love of Ferdinand, put the Moettler balance and the electron microscope away and start tapping that 355 horsepower, bro!

    (Btw, prompted by your uneven soot I did before and after on both exhausts, no discernible difference btwn passenger & driver's side on 06 S coupe. The underbody aero effect theory sounds reasonable esp after Hilsman rack test, but all of ours ought to be uneven then....stump'd ).

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

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    hilsman said:
    I guarantee you could spend one hundred years and never figure out why a number of 997S's show more soot in driver's side exhaust. I had a compression leak down test...completely normal, code check all OK, didn't burn oil..etc, etc...

    Then I installed a wide band O2 sensor to see if there was a difference in A/F ratios left vs. right bank....seemed there was a slight (.1) difference favoring richer on right bank...I also noted that under accel. it seemed the right bank's A/F's dropped quicker....still no definitive answer.

    I even let car idle for 40 mins and checked with no difference in soot left to right....AND THEN I noticed something very odd....I had a fan directly in middle of the front of the car blowing towards the rear....believe it or not the car's underside aerodynamics are skewed!!!! The driver's side of the engine and exhaust manifold is literally bathed in rapidly flowing air, HOWEVER, not so the passenger's side. I suspect the soot issue is a result of the uneveness of air cooling the underside of the engine and exhaust...the driver's side getting fresh cool air and the passenger's very little...resulting in the difference.

    Try out the experiment....put a fan on the ground in the front of the car dead center and go around to the back and feel the diffence.....

    I would love to here this explained....



    Wow...
    I would never have noticed that.

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

    Quote:
    hilsman said:
    I guarantee you could spend one hundred years and never figure out why a number of 997S's show more soot in driver's side exhaust. I had a compression leak down test...completely normal, code check all OK, didn't burn oil..etc, etc...

    Then I installed a wide band O2 sensor to see if there was a difference in A/F ratios left vs. right bank....seemed there was a slight (.1) difference favoring richer on right bank...I also noted that under accel. it seemed the right bank's A/F's dropped quicker....still no definitive answer.

    I even let car idle for 40 mins and checked with no difference in soot left to right....AND THEN I noticed something very odd....I had a fan directly in middle of the front of the car blowing towards the rear....believe it or not the car's underside aerodynamics are skewed!!!! The driver's side of the engine and exhaust manifold is literally bathed in rapidly flowing air, HOWEVER, not so the passenger's side. I suspect the soot issue is a result of the uneveness of air cooling the underside of the engine and exhaust...the driver's side getting fresh cool air and the passenger's very little...resulting in the difference.

    Try out the experiment....put a fan on the ground in the front of the car dead center and go around to the back and feel the diffence.....

    I would love to here this explained....


    Good analysis...I mentioned the possibilty of aerodynamics as the cause of the soot in the earlier post on this topic.

    Re: exhaust soot revisited esp. for gradyex and mmd

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    Damian said:
    The back end of my 03M3 used to look like a coal-fired locomotive after a 45-minute M3 hellride through the hinterlands-- not abusing the car either, just getting on it some. Don't worry about that. Same for my 997S but slightly less exhaust particulate so far.



    LOL. My 04M3 rear bumper is always clean; never noticed any soot. Yes, the fake quad (LOL) tailpipes on my M3 are black all the time but not uneven side to side, just uneven on the both sides of the same tip (LOL)... . Well, at least they're not Ys.

    My mindset? My estimate is I should have about 350 moving violations so far, no license and in jail; I'm barely out of break in period.

     
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