the Ferrari F430 and Porsche Carrera S
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One is fast and dangerously fun, the other fun and dangerously fast. Who's number one?
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STRADALE said:
Ferrari 430 is #1.
Buy one of each.
Sep 21, 2005 4:04:29 AM
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OCEAN said:
http://windingroad.com/article/2005_octo...Ferrari_F430_L3
there is a link for the whole articale at the bottom
One is fast and dangerously fun, the other fun and dangerously fast. Who's number one?
Sep 21, 2005 5:32:57 AM
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Al Pettee said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
Ferrari 430 is #1.
Buy one of each.
Strad,
I wonder how the 997TT will stack up against the F430. I wonder too about a 996TT comparo. vs. the F430-but they left that out of the Winding Road profiles.
I take it you plan to keep your F-car (and are you replacing it with a 430 Coupe or Spider)? You should write a review for rennteam of F vs. P-TT (997) when the latter comes out.
Sep 21, 2005 6:25:35 PM
Sep 21, 2005 6:43:52 PM
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bostonmini said:
...the benchmark is the gallardo. any 911 is a different type of sports car, heavily swayed more towards a ferrari mid engined..but with a hint of traditional 4 seat coupe:)
Sep 21, 2005 7:24:28 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is your guys overall opinion of the Lamborghini quality (or even Ferrari for that matter)?
A huge part of my car purchase decisions are based on quality (or my personal perception thereof). I purchased my 997s because of past experience (first P-car was a Guards Red 964), and have never had a problem with either.
I already know the basic information about Ferrari/Lamborghini (price, performance, the fact that the F430 is the most beautiful car I have ever seen), but was wondering about some of the intangibles (quality, maintenance, etc...).
Thanks,
Tim 'god I love my car' Pfannes
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tpfannes said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is your guys overall opinion of the Lamborghini quality (or even Ferrari for that matter)?
A huge part of my car purchase decisions are based on quality (or my personal perception thereof). I purchased my 997s because of past experience (first P-car was a Guards Red 964), and have never had a problem with either.
I already know the basic information about Ferrari/Lamborghini (price, performance, the fact that the F430 is the most beautiful car I have ever seen), but was wondering about some of the intangibles (quality, maintenance, etc...).
Thanks,
Tim 'god I love my car' Pfannes
Ferrari was aware of its poor quality image several years ago. They decided to fix the problem and with the 360, they vastly improved the quality. In the 430, it is even better. The 430 reeks of quality through and through.
Maintenance is no worse than Porsche or Lambo.
However, many putative potential buyers often rationalize themselves out of buying a Ferrari based on old and inaccurate quality maintenance issue. In my view, that is good for those of us who own and will buy future Ferrari's. The less people buying Ferrari's, the more available to those of us who appreciate the car.
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nberry said:
However, many putative potential buyers often rationalize themselves out of buying a Ferrari based on old and inaccurate quality maintenance issue. In my view, that is good for those of us who own and will buy future Ferrari's. The less people buying Ferrari's, the more available to those of us who appreciate the car.
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nberry said:
Ferrari was aware of its poor quality image several years ago. They decided to fix the problem and with the 360, they vastly improved the quality. In the 430, it is even better. The 430 reeks of quality through and through.
Maintenance is no worse than Porsche or Lambo.
However, many putative potential buyers often rationalize themselves out of buying a Ferrari based on old and inaccurate quality maintenance issue. In my view, that is good for those of us who own and will buy future Ferrari's. The less people buying Ferrari's, the more available to those of us who appreciate the car.
Sep 22, 2005 12:42:36 AM
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nberry said:
However, many putative potential buyers often rationalize themselves out of buying a Ferrari based on old and inaccurate quality maintenance issue. In my view, that is good for those of us who own and will buy future Ferrari's. The less people buying Ferrari's, the more available to those of us who appreciate the car.
Nick,
Maybe I'll do my part to decrease the availability of a Ferrari to you with a future purchase of my own.
One question, my disadvantage is the nearest dealer to me is 300 miles away. Others have pointed out that this is not as bad as it seems. Do you have experience or knowledge of Ferrari service in terms of distance from a shop, parts and routine maintenance difficulties? My work/family life is busy enough, so I have limited time for getting cars fixed (don't we all? ). Many thanks in advance.
Al
Sep 22, 2005 2:13:09 AM
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Al Pettee said:
Fred,
I am aware of that supply issue. It makes me wonder that maybe Ferrari should be cranking up the "MSRP" on those cars, not that I advocate it. . . .
Sep 22, 2005 11:14:24 AM
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Fred,
I am aware of that supply issue. It makes me wonder that maybe Ferrari should be cranking up the "MSRP" on those cars, not that I advocate it. . . .
430 has some $50K in possible options....a level of optionality not seen on 360...this may be F's subtle approach to ratcheting-up ASP's and profit margins (along w/incr'g proportion of Spiders vs Coupes), while quoting a relatively modest base MSRP......
It's brand suicide to ever have to reduce MSRP if US mkt for F's weakens again....allegedly, only 10 yrs ago, FoSF had multiple new red/tan 355Spiders sitting on the lot looking for a home....
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bostonmini said:
...the benchmark is the gallardo. any 911 is a different type of sports car, heavily swayed more towards a ferrari mid engined..but with a hint of traditional 4 seat coupe:)
Love the Gallardo but it's hardly the benchmark imo.
Not nearly as fantastic looking and exciting to drive as the 430 and not nearly as useable as an everyday sports car like a 996 Turbo.
Have to admit with the way the Gallardo PRE-owned prices have fallen I've been toying with the idea of buying one instead of a 997 Turbo to use everyday. This week on F-cat some guy offered his E-gear w/ a couple of thousand miles for $145k. Said he was offering at that price because that's what he is being offfered in trade. The Gallardo for the price of a Turbo S. If only the Gallardo Spider was already out and out long enough to buy cheaply.
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430 has some $50K in possible options....a level of optionality not seen on 360...this may be F's subtle approach to ratcheting-up ASP's and profit margins (along w/incr'g proportion of Spiders vs Coupes), while quoting a relatively modest base MSRP......
Sep 22, 2005 12:44:30 PM
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EricAlain said:
Believe it or not, even if the Porsche Option book looks like the Manhattan phone book, 1/3 of Porsche buyers aren't happy with it and they have to go with the Exclusive Program !!!!
No need to say, this is absolutely wonderful on a margin standpoint .....
The average option take-up rate is between 10-12% for the Boxster to over 20% on the Cayenne with the 911 somewhere around 15-17% !!!
Europeans are the ones that spec their Porsches the most. In North America buyers don't want to wait, therefore they buy cars from dealers lot that are "less loaded with expensive goodies".
I'm sure that Ferrari has all figured it out as well.