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Re: AMV8 Road test
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Thanks, Ron! Looks like a very nice car. I just noticed for the first time that the F430 and AMV8 have identical 4.3L V8 displacements, but the Ferrari makes over 100hp more
I noticed the same thing. I understand that the AMV8 engine is a "true" dry sump set-up, and capable of handling a turbo or supercharger, so I still hope they think about adding a blower. . . .
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Grant said:
Thanks, Ron! Looks like a very nice car. I just noticed for the first time that the F430 and AMV8 have identical 4.3L V8 displacements, but the Ferrari makes over 100hp more
I noticed the same thing. I understand that the AMV8 engine is a "true" dry sump set-up, and capable of handling a turbo or supercharger, so I still hope they think about adding a blower. . . .
It just shows you the level of engineering that goes into F engines. I mean, even when Aston puts a supercharger in theirs, it will still have less hps than the F430.
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Grant said:
Thanks, Ron! Looks like a very nice car. I just noticed for the first time that the F430 and AMV8 have identical 4.3L V8 displacements, but the Ferrari makes over 100hp more
I noticed the same thing. I understand that the AMV8 engine is a "true" dry sump set-up, and capable of handling a turbo or supercharger, so I still hope they think about adding a blower. . . .
It just shows you the level of engineering that goes into F engines. I mean, even when Aston puts a supercharger in theirs, it will still have less hps than the F430.
Aren't we comparing a $100Kish AM to a $200K+ F?.....F has a bit of room to pay for more engineered engines w/that big a price differential......and I wonder if having a public US co. as a parent provides more pressure to deliver profit margins than an Italian parent co. does?
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Grant said:
Thanks, Ron! Looks like a very nice car. I just noticed for the first time that the F430 and AMV8 have identical 4.3L V8 displacements, but the Ferrari makes over 100hp more
I noticed the same thing. I understand that the AMV8 engine is a "true" dry sump set-up, and capable of handling a turbo or supercharger, so I still hope they think about adding a blower. . . .
It just shows you the level of engineering that goes into F engines. I mean, even when Aston puts a supercharger in theirs, it will still have less hps than the F430.
Aren't we comparing a $100Kish AM to a $200K+ F?.....F has a bit of room to pay for more engineered engines w/that big a price differential......and I wonder if having a public US co. as a parent provides more pressure to deliver profit margins than an Italian parent co. does?
As Grant said: Price difference is closer to $50K. Base for F430 is $170 vs. $120 for AMV8.
What US company are you referring to? I thought GM paid a $2bil. penalty for backing out of Fiat purchase?
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Grant said:
Thanks, Ron! Looks like a very nice car. I just noticed for the first time that the F430 and AMV8 have identical 4.3L V8 displacements, but the Ferrari makes over 100hp more
I noticed the same thing. I understand that the AMV8 engine is a "true" dry sump set-up, and capable of handling a turbo or supercharger, so I still hope they think about adding a blower. . . .
It just shows you the level of engineering that goes into F engines. I mean, even when Aston puts a supercharger in theirs, it will still have less hps than the F430.
Aren't we comparing a $100Kish AM to a $200K+ F?.....F has a bit of room to pay for more engineered engines w/that big a price differential......and I wonder if having a public US co. as a parent provides more pressure to deliver profit margins than an Italian parent co. does?
As Grant said: Price difference is closer to $50K. Base for F430 is $170 vs. $120 for AMV8.
What US company are you referring to? I thought GM paid a $2bil. penalty for backing out of Fiat purchase?
What's MSRP on avg 430 sold? (recall what % have F1 boxes and are Spiders?)...prob somewhere above $200K. Don't know if AMV8's US price has been set....US pricing tends to be most competitive, given nature of mkt....doubt AM has guts to price AMV8 signif above $80K base 997S.....both have relatively price-sensitive buyer bases...a $40K price delta over 997S would put AMV8 into 997TT/SL55 pricing league....highly unlikely
Ford is AM's parent....US shareholders tend to be more critical re: co.'s quarterly results, etc than do shareholders of most Euro cos., such as Fiat
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Re: AMV8 Road test
US base price on the AMV8 is $110k. With all options and tax, the price is about $130K. Every consumer has different criteria for selecting a car. I feel the V8 Vantage suits my needs well and is worth the price. As is frequently stated on car forums, an automobile purchase is usually not a strictly rational decision. The argument that the Aston is not worth the money if it does not have performance figures to beat or match a 911 doesn't hold much water for me. If performance and value were the only determinents, everyone would be driving a 2006 Corvette Z06 and Porsche, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Lamborghini would all be out of business.
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US base price on the AMV8 is $110k. With all options and tax, the price is about $130K. Every consumer has different criteria for selecting a car. I feel the V8 Vantage suits my needs well and is worth the price. As is frequently stated on car forums, an automobile purchase is usually not a strictly rational decision. The argument that the Aston is not worth the money if it does not have performance figures to beat or match a 911 doesn't hold much water for me. If performance and value were the only determinents, everyone would be driving a 2006 Corvette Z06 and Porsche, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Lamborghini would all be out of business.
John
I stand corrected....$130K
Totally agree...one should pay whatever one wants for a desired car. 
But, from a business perspective, it will be interesting to see how many AMV8's will be sold/yr w/this pricing scheme.
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Re: AMV8 Road test
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Friscorays said:
US base price on the AMV8 is $110k. With all options and tax, the price is about $130K. Every consumer has different criteria for selecting a car. I feel the V8 Vantage suits my needs well and is worth the price. As is frequently stated on car forums, an automobile purchase is usually not a strictly rational decision. The argument that the Aston is not worth the money if it does not have performance figures to beat or match a 911 doesn't hold much water for me. If performance and value were the only determinents, everyone would be driving a 2006 Corvette Z06 and Porsche, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Lamborghini would all be out of business.
John
You're absolutely right! It's total nonsense to use performance as the one and only criteria for pricing. There is still a thing called exclusivity and it does exact a price. Aston plans on selling 3K units per annum vs. 30K for 911.
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