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    Jul 13, 2005 11:44:51 AM

    tony h
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    430 CS details===

    Page 19 of Auto Express shows a 430 'saftey car' lapping Fiorano. They say it has lightweight alloys and lowered suspension. Being prepared for next years Challenge Series, where it will used as a test bed for the the 2007 expected 430 CS.

    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.

    430 CS expected to cost Pounds155,000

    Jul 13, 2005 8:08:48 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Tony,
    Thanks for the info.
    Not many street cars w/ 525hp & the 430CS's approx. weight.
    I'm very interested in ANYTHING regarding the 430CS.

    Jul 13, 2005 8:17:03 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.



    That should certainly eclipse the 360CS with 100hp extra and just a bit more weight

    That's 122hp/L which I think would be a record for a n/a car. The Honda S2000 had the record at 120hp/L...

    Jul 13, 2005 8:26:05 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    So where is Porsche's answer to this?
    The Turbo is nice, but to me nothing tells more about a company's technological superiority than a normally aspirated engine, especially one that makes 500plus HP.

    So far, BMW M5, Mercedes new AMG 6.3, Audi alos is making a NA engine for its S series, and Ferrari has the 430.
    And Porsche has nothing.
    I'm disappointed.

    Jul 13, 2005 8:55:56 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    So where is Porsche's answer to this?
    The Turbo is nice, but to me nothing tells more about a company's technological superiority than a normally aspirated engine, especially one that makes 500plus HP.

    So far, BMW M5, Mercedes new AMG 6.3, Audi alos is making a NA engine for its S series, and Ferrari has the 430.
    And Porsche has nothing.
    I'm disappointed.


    Have you ever heard of the Carrera GT - over 600hp naturally aspirated?

    The next GT3 will be over 400hp. Maybe the 998 will have a flat 8 - then 500hp would be possible. I don't think 500hp is possible with a n/a flat 6...

    Jul 13, 2005 9:07:27 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    RR4, dont u mean power/displacement? Viper has 500 and is NA....not too hard to do!

    Jul 14, 2005 12:06:26 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    And the engine is 8+ liters.

    Jul 14, 2005 3:22:42 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Carrera GT: too expensive

    Jul 14, 2005 9:21:25 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    RR4 said:
    So where is Porsche's answer to this?
    The Turbo is nice, but to me nothing tells more about a company's technological superiority than a normally aspirated engine, especially one that makes 500plus HP.

    So far, BMW M5, Mercedes new AMG 6.3, Audi alos is making a NA engine for its S series, and Ferrari has the 430.
    And Porsche has nothing.
    I'm disappointed.


    Have you ever heard of the Carrera GT - over 600hp naturally aspirated?

    The next GT3 will be over 400hp. Maybe the 998 will have a flat 8 - then 500hp would be possible. I don't think 500hp is possible with a n/a flat 6...



    let's not forget the mclaren f1 also has 624bhp n/a, so does the enzo, the zonda etc. etc. just thought i'd add to the list of 600bhp+ n/a cars

    Jul 14, 2005 10:06:05 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.



    And there was me thinking the standard 430 could do 0-60 in under 4 seconds... Doh!

    Jul 14, 2005 10:35:03 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    Quote:
    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.



    And there was me thinking the standard 430 could do 0-60 in under 4 seconds... Doh!




    Official figure is 4 seconds flat I think. Some test cars achieved accelaration times slightly below the 4 sec.

    Jul 14, 2005 11:44:11 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    Quote:
    boytronic said:
    Quote:
    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.



    And there was me thinking the standard 430 could do 0-60 in under 4 seconds... Doh!




    Official figure is 4 seconds flat I think. Some test cars achieved accelaration times slightly below the 4 sec.



    4sec to 62 mph (100km), not 60mph I think

    Jul 14, 2005 1:29:34 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    As far as Porsche goes, what I mean is that The GT3 and the 360 was comparable.
    Now with the 430, Porsche really has no answer. Yes you have the Turbo, but that's tubro charged. Yes you have the GT but its competitor is the Enzo.
    Porsche has no answer to high reviing normally aspirated motors. What's worse is that cars that were traditionally not competitors to Porsche, ie BMW, MERCS, and Audi sedans are the only ones answering Ferrari.

    That's pretty sad.

    Yes the 997 is a fantastic car. I love my GT3, the Turbo is a better car than all of those above mentioned sedans - and can be made to outperform any car with the right turbos,intercoolers and ECU etc - and the GT I would take over the Enzo anyday, but I'd still like Porsche to develop a high revving NA that doesn't cost $440K.

    Jul 14, 2005 2:09:10 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    What's worse is that cars that were traditionally not competitors to Porsche, ie BMW, MERCS, and Audi sedans are the only ones answering Ferrari.



    I don't think BMW/Merc/Audi are answering Ferrari. As BMW were traditionally using high rev engine to their M, also with its F1 background. I think Merc's high power sedans are using bi-turbo/supercharge. Audi are answering BMW rather than Ferrari and Audi Group has Lambo to answer Ferrari directly.

    Jul 14, 2005 2:35:43 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    Quote:
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    Official figure is 4 seconds flat I think. Some test cars achieved accelaration times slightly below the 4 sec.



    4sec to 62 mph (100km), not 60mph I think



    Uh, you're absolutely right Patriek, I was referring to the 0-100 kph figure, I overlooked that we were talking about 0-60 mph times...

    Jul 14, 2005 5:46:39 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    "Now with the 430, Porsche really has no answer. Yes you have the Turbo, but that's tubro charged"

    That's like saying Ferrari doesn't have an answer to Porsche because it's an 8 cyl. Or the 996 TT wasn't comparable to the 360 because it's Turbocharged.
    The 997 TT will be comparable to the 430. How they get their power is based on the design of the car.

    Jul 14, 2005 5:50:34 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Quote:
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    So where is Porsche's answer to this?
    The Turbo is nice, but to me nothing tells more about a company's technological superiority than a normally aspirated engine, especially one that makes 500plus HP.

    So far, BMW M5, Mercedes new AMG 6.3, Audi alos is making a NA engine for its S series, and Ferrari has the 430.
    And Porsche has nothing.
    I'm disappointed.



    Wouldn't think of the ZO6 as having "technological superiority" but okay.

    Jul 14, 2005 5:52:18 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    RR4, dont u mean power/displacement? Viper has 500 and is NA....not too hard to do!



    Ditto.

    Jul 14, 2005 5:55:30 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    The 4.3 Litre engine's manifolds will be modified for improved airflow which, along with a sophisticated electronic engine management system will boost power from 490 BHP to 525 BHP. This combined with a weight reduction of 100kg will enable the CS to hit 0-60 in under 4 secs and hit more than 200mph.



    And there was me thinking the standard 430 could do 0-60 in under 4 seconds... Doh!





    Road & Track / 430 / 0-60 / 3.5 seconds. 997 S / 3.9

    Jul 26, 2005 3:22:58 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Has this been posted ? >From the Ferrari Owners site:

    9/17/2005 - 9/25/2005

    Frankfurt
    The 61st Frankfurt International Motor Show will be the venue for the unveiling of the new F430 Challenge.

    Once again the Prancing Horse has exceeded even its own track-loving clients' expectations by developing its latest 8-cylinder model to create yet another Ferrari dream car, the F430 Challenge.

    For the 2006 season this new 483-bhp single-series racing car will initially compete alongside the 360 Challenge, subsequently replacing the outgoing model. Ferrari's engineers are currently developing the new model and initial results are already extremely positive - the 1,200 kg car has been timed at 1'18" around Fiorano. That's 2 seconds faster than the 360 Challenge!

    The F430 Challenge is intended to exalt the driving skills of the numerous privateers and gentlemen drivers that race in Ferrari's highly popular Challenge series, and virtually all forms of electronic driver assistance that feature on the road car - ESP, the manettino and the E-Diff settings - have been removed. The F430 Challenge is thus an uncompromising racing car in the finest Ferrari tradition!

    Also taking pride of place at the Ferrari stand at Frankfurt will be the F430 Spider and Coupé, the Superamerica and the 612 Scaglietti, making this a unique opportunity to see the company's latest range of cars.

    Any Ferrari clients who wish to avail of exclusive access to the Ferrari stand (in Hall 5) between September 17th and 25th can simply register using the link at the foot of this page. On completion of the form, you will receive a personal invitation (PDF format) which covers access for yourself and a guest. Please print the invitation and present it to the hostesses at the entrance to the stand together with a form of identification (passport, driving licence or similar).

    The IAA Motor Show takes place at the Frankfurt Messe trade fair complex (motorway exit: Frankfurt West/Messe) and is open from 9.00-19.00 every day from Saturday 17th September to Sunday 25th. For further information on the event or to reserve your ticket to the Frankfurt Show (not included in exclusive access to Ferrari stand), log on to the Show's official website at: http://www.iaa.de.

    Accommodation information is available from the Frankfurt Tourist Office at http://www.frankfurt-tourismus.de or at the following number: +49 (0) 69212 38800.

    Jul 26, 2005 3:45:41 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    This is not a CS. The Challenge car is not street legal. It is used exclusively on a track.

    Jul 26, 2005 4:18:34 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    I love that they removed all the electronic aids for the race car - now if they will only get rid of the F1 tranny too. Maybe once they get rid of auto trannies in F1 (proposed), then will get rid of them on this car too

    Jul 26, 2005 5:07:13 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    This is not a CS. The Challenge car is not street legal. It is used exclusively on a track.



    Yes, I know that. Obviously we need a Challenge car before the street (Stradale) version. That's why I thought it interesting though.

    Jul 28, 2005 10:28:58 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Hey Stradale,

    that's good news.

    Are you coming over this autumn?

    Best, Floren.

    Jul 30, 2005 3:53:52 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Will the Stradale version also have 483bhp? Or will they bump it up like on the 360CS?

    Jul 30, 2005 4:07:28 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

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    Will the Stradale version also have 483bhp? Or will they bump it up like on the 360CS?


    It will likely have around 500-525hp.

    Jul 30, 2005 4:19:16 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    So the Challange Stradale will be more powerful than the Challange? Is it that way with the 360CS and Challange?

    Jul 30, 2005 5:27:01 AM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    yes, the 360 challenge has the same engine as the standard 360, 400hp, and the 360 cs has 425 hp

    Jul 31, 2005 7:38:38 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Quote:
    STRADALE said:
    Quote:
    RR4 said:
    So where is Porsche's answer to this?
    The Turbo is nice, but to me nothing tells more about a company's technological superiority than a normally aspirated engine, especially one that makes 500plus HP.

    So far, BMW M5, Mercedes new AMG 6.3, Audi alos is making a NA engine for its S series, and Ferrari has the 430.
    And Porsche has nothing.
    I'm disappointed.



    Wouldn't think of the ZO6 as having "technological superiority" but okay.



    Yeah, but it does it with seven liters. Ferrari does it with 4.3

    Jul 31, 2005 7:57:09 PM

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    Re: 430 CS details===

    Quote:
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    Hey Stradale,

    that's good news.

    Are you coming over this autumn?

    Best, Floren.



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