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Nov 20, 2023 4:49:32 PM
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Re: New device for DD
Congratulations and I will be interesting in hearing your impressions as you spend more time with the car. I looked over the first two delivered at the local dealership and was surprised by the size. Monstrous for a Five Series and so far only available as an EV or four cylinder ICE. That’s something I’m not looking for at this time.
Re: New device for DD
Gnil:Congratulations ! Can't believe the size !!!
Saw the new i5 at my local dealer last week...shocking...the size. 
Car looks great though, high quality.
Still...I think that German manufacturers will have difficulties to keep up with Tesla (yes, Tesla) because from a price/quality point of view, they are (in my opinion) unbeatable. A customer of mine got himself a new Model 3 base model facelift and he is amazed about the quality (he had a Model 3 before and he says the difference is incredible).
He paid 43k EUR for this car...ridiculous price. New.
My local BMW dealer offered me a i4 M50 for 60k EUR, almost fully loaded, new. Interesting offer since it is at Model 3 Performance level.
There is some movement in the market but I think German manufacturers still make the mistake to go for the upper luxury segment instead of finding a way to fight off Tesla. This could go wrong on so many levels.
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Re: New device for DD
I will still gladly pay an extra 17k for the BMW quality on material usage and the badge value. Real wood, real leather, real metal and real carbon fibre cost money.
43k Euro for the new Model 3, did Tesla finally use real leather or they still using vinyl 'aka' plastic aka vegan leather? Or was he talking about assemble quality?
For the equipment Tesla offered on the Model 3, it shouldn't be costing over 30k. So there is still another 13k worth of 'fluff'. I put no value on useless features 'included' in Tesla's pricing.
Over here, I think the cheapest Model 3 one can find cost not too much more than a Chevy Bolt, in this comparison, I would take the Tesla over the Chevy. Tesla is going for that side of the market and tier pricing shows. The Nissan Leaf is another that's being beaten by a Model 3.
But a Model 3 is soundly beaten by a Hyundai Ionic 5, Ioniq 6 and KIA EV6 for value/equipment/material usage vs price comparison.
The BMW i5's target competitors are the Mercedes EQE, Audi e-Tron/Taycan. Basically other German offerings.
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