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Jul 11, 2005 4:39:30 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005

Short commute => short life?

My first Porsche (997S) is finally in the US and I should get it this/next week.

Will I prematurely age the car if I use it as a daily driver since my commute is only 10 minutes (streets, not freeway) to and from work? Or, does the beast like to have its legs stretched on a daily basis?
I'm trying to decide if I want to get rid of my other car... or if I should take the LONG and round about way to work!!

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Jul 11, 2005 4:43:42 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: vtach88

Re: Short commute => short life?

I figure the dumb machine doesn't care how long it runs AS LONG AS it reaches FULL operating temperture.

If it takes five miles for the water and oil to heat up to op temp you're next five miles to work can just as well be 500 miles.

The bad thing would be to beat the car BEFORE it reaches ful op temp. Or to shut it down and park it before it reaches full op temp.

Did I guess right?

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Jul 11, 2005 4:54:08 PM

JohnA: Co-Pilot; Loc: Durham, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 264, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2004; Reply to: MMD

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Take the long way in you and the car will appreciate 20 minutes each way

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Jul 11, 2005 5:05:43 PM

Mike S: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Somewhere , Taiwan; Posts: 7720, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: JohnA

Re: Short commute => short life?

in the manual it also recommends long trips for running the engine it. it can't be good for it if it is switched on/off with multiple short trips

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Jul 11, 2005 5:36:37 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Mike S

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Mike S said:
in the manual it also recommends long trips for running the engine it. it can't be good for it if it is switched on/off with multiple short trips

I don't have a manual yet (no car either!!) but is it one of those things where the German translation has lost some meaning or is it one of those instances where it's just vague how long is "long?"

Maybe it's just "long" enough for the engine water and oil to heat up?

I know with my M3 the water heats up in just a few miles but the oil temp doesn't reach full temp for about three or four times that. I figure with the M3 once the oil gets to operating temp the entire engine is ready to be driven, or in the spirit of this thread, shut off and parked.

Oh, remember the "old days" when a Porsche would carbon up and be ruined if it was only used for short trips or too much city driving? Maybe those old days conditions have created modern day myths about Porsche engines.

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Jul 11, 2005 5:55:43 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Short commute => short life?

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Maybe those old days conditions have created modern day myths about Porsche engines.

BINGO. I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. It's a machine, not an animal. Should be just fine. But it's always nice to have a second car as a beater. I use a truck as a second car, so whenever I need to haul a fridge or a grille, or whatever toy I buy next at Home Depot, I don't have to mooch a friend's truck. Sell your M3, buy a little truck, and you'll have everything you could ever need at your behest.

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Jul 11, 2005 6:32:10 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: Short commute => short life?

Thanks...sound advice. My commute is only 5 miles or so. Since the P-car is a keeper for me, I'll probably keep the old one as well - its a 2001 325ci, not an M3.

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Jul 11, 2005 6:35:08 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: vtach88

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I was speed-reading through the thread, and thought MMD's M3 was yours. Yeah, for what you'll get for your 325ci on resale, you may as well just keep her. Have fun!

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Jul 11, 2005 8:10:28 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: vtach88

Re: Short commute => short life?

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vtach88 said:
My first Porsche (997S) is finally in the US and I should get it this/next week.

Will I prematurely age the car if I use it as a daily driver since my commute is only 10 minutes (streets, not freeway) to and from work? Or, does the beast like to have its legs stretched on a daily basis?
I'm trying to decide if I want to get rid of my other car... or if I should take the LONG and round about way to work!!

Nothing wrong with using it everyday to work even if it's side streets but AFTER break-in.

The manuel suggest you break-in the car with longer trips. This is for any vehicle imo. Whenever I get a new vehicle I always like to take a few hundred mile long trip the very day I pick up the car. Not only does it give you the best chance to get used to handling, braking etc. etc. it is best to break-in the tires, brakes and engine this way. It even says in the manuel that false oil level readings will occur if the vehicle is not driven on longer trips where it has a change to purge itself of contaniments etc.

You don't have to 'stretch it legs on a daily basis' but a few long trips especially during the 2000 mile break-in would be recommended. Besides it will be very difficult to take the short way to work once your baby arrives.

Congrats & please put in some pics when you take delivery.

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Jul 11, 2005 8:14:04 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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The manuel is funny. In one part it says - 'Sitting still warming up the engine wastes gas. When you're ready for a trip start the motor and accelerate gradually.'

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Jul 11, 2005 8:56:01 PM

JP66: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Seattle , United States; Posts: 2217, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2003; Reply to: 69bossnine

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But it's always nice to have a second car as a beater.

Agreed

especially if you only drive a couple miles to work each day. After the stuff I've put into my C4S (stereo, and other goodies), my C4S literally costs 100 times more than my beater, which I drive about 30k+ miles per year

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Jul 11, 2005 9:22:54 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

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STRADALE said:
The manuel

LOL! Funny.

I forget what the 997 AC sez... .

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Jul 11, 2005 10:09:00 PM

tooner: Veteran; Loc: SF-Bay Area; Posts: 832, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 8, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Short commute => short life?

hehehe... do what I do I live 0.9 Miles from my office and It takes a few minutes drive with stop lights...

I TAKE THE LOOOOONG ROUTE Across San Bruno Mountains and end up pumped before walking to my office... The trip is about 8-10 miles

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Jul 11, 2005 10:38:12 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005; Reply to: tooner

Re: Short commute => short life?

tooner: I'll do that! I'll take the 280N-92E-101S loop and enjoy my ride to work. I love that drive. Damn the environment, Damn the gas prices!!

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Jul 11, 2005 11:38:30 PM

Le Chef: Veteran; Loc: Chicago , United States; Posts: 1059, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 3, 2003; Reply to: vtach88

WALK!!!

If your commute is 10 minutes long, get some exercise and use your legs. I have a 10 minute commute and quite frankly it's not even worth getting the bike out for. I walk every day and it takes about 30 minues. The car gets used only when I need to go someplace after work. Driving the 997 for 10 minutes seems like a waste of time - I would imagine it would be as disappointing as 10 minute sex sex with Heidi Klum...

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Jul 11, 2005 11:43:27 PM

Malmsteen: Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 493, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005; Reply to: Le Chef

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i am sure you will be running back to home(garage) after work then :P

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Jul 11, 2005 11:59:32 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005; Reply to: Malmsteen

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I wish I could walk! I live up in the hills - so the walk home would be painful! Also, I'm required to be at work on short notice - (ie minutes, not hours)... so it wouldn't be practical.
Driving a 997 for 10 minutes (or having sex with Heidi for 10 minutes) is a heck of a lot better than NOT doing it (just a guess, of course)!

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Jul 12, 2005 1:51:31 AM

SVNSVN: Rennteam Pro; Loc: CA, USA; Posts: 2994, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: tooner

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Too funny tooner!

BTW, I'd be happy just talking to Heidi for 10 minutes.

And people say I'm hard to please.

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Jul 12, 2005 5:07:08 AM

tooner: Veteran; Loc: SF-Bay Area; Posts: 832, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 8, 2005; Reply to: vtach88

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vtach88 said:
Damn the gas prices!!

I hear that!...

Bay-Area should represent and get together!

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Jul 12, 2005 1:52:14 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Short commute => short life?

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MMD said:
Quote:
STRADALE said:
The manuel

LOL! Funny.

I forget what the 997 AC sez... .

There's also a section on wheel care. Believe it or not it says to put vaseline on the rims.

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Jul 12, 2005 1:56:21 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: tooner

Re: Short commute => short life?

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tooner said:
hehehe... do what I do I live 0.9 Miles from my office and It takes a few minutes drive with stop lights...

I TAKE THE LOOOOONG ROUTE Across San Bruno Mountains and end up pumped before walking to my office... The trip is about 8-10 miles

I drive my 997 S cab to work 50 miles everyday. I took one of our suv's on 2 occasion's (since picking up the 997) because of expected flooding.

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Jul 12, 2005 3:31:51 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

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STRADALE said:
There's also a section on wheel care. Believe it or not it says to put vaseline on the rims.

Well I don't care what Porsche recommends, I'm not getting vaseline anywhere near my rim!

br d

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Jul 12, 2005 3:46:13 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: br d

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"Vaseline" in that instance is yet another example of messy translation of German into English. They really mean some kind of wax; a fact I picked up in another board a while ago.

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Jul 12, 2005 4:07:45 PM

vtach88: Co-Pilot; Loc: bay area, ca; Posts: 272, Gallery; Registered on: May 15, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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The beauty of this forum is that we can go from my commute to Heidi Klum and end up on vaseline in a matter of a few posts...
very informative!

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