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    Pilot:

    ^ Yet some women like to shag this guy. heart

    Money and power are powerful aphrodisiacs. 


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    "How Elon Musk knocked Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ off course"  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    Tesla’s campaign to deliver a fully autonomous vehicle has suffered amid mounting safety concerns — and the boss’s Twitter distraction...

    SAN FRANCISCO — Long before he became “Chief Twit” of Twitter, Elon Musk had a different obsession: making Teslas drive themselves. The technology was expensive and, two years ago when the supply chain was falling apart, Musk became determined to bring down the cost.

    He zeroed in on a target: the car radar sensors, which are designed to detect hazards at long ranges and prevent the vehicles from barreling into other cars in traffic. The sleek bodies of the cars already bristled with eight cameras designed to view the road and spot hazards in each direction. That, Musk argued, should be enough.

    Some Tesla engineers were aghast, said former employees with knowledge of his reaction, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. They contacted a trusted former executive for advice on how to talk Musk out of it, in previously unreported pushback. Without radar, Teslas would be susceptible to basic perception errors if the cameras were obscured by raindrops or even bright sunlight, problems that could lead to crashes.

    Musk was unconvinced and overruled his engineers. In May 2021 Tesla announced it was eliminating radar on new cars. Soon after, the company began disabling radar in cars already on the road. The result, according to interviews with nearly a dozen former employees and test drivers, safety officials and other experts, was an uptick in crashes, near misses and other embarrassing mistakes by Tesla vehicles suddenly deprived of a critical sensor.

    Musk has described the Tesla “Full Self-Driving” technology as “the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money and being worth basically zero,” but his dream of autonomous cars is hitting roadblocks.

    In recent weeks, Tesla has recalled and suspended the rollout of the technology to eligible vehicles amid concerns that its cars could disobey the speed limit and blow through stop signs, according to federal officials. Customer complaints have been piling up, including a lawsuit filed in federal court last month claiming that Musk has overstated the technology’s capabilities. And regulators and government officials are scrutinizing Tesla’s system and its past claims as evidence of safety problems mounts, according to company filings.

    In interviews, former Tesla employees who worked on Tesla’s driver-assistance software attributed the company’s troubles to the rapid pace of development, cost-cutting measures like Musk’s decision to eliminate radar — which strayed from industry practice — and other problems unique to Tesla.

    They said Musk’s erratic leadership style also played a role, forcing them to work at a breakneck pace to develop the technology and to push it out to the public before it was ready. Some said they are worried that, even today, the software is not safe to be used on public roads. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

    “The system was only progressing very slowly internally” but “the public wanted a product in their hands,” said John Bernal, a former Tesla test operator who worked in its Autopilot department. He was fired in February 2022 when the company alleged improper use of the technology after he had posted videos of Full Self-Driving in action.

    “Elon keeps tweeting, ‘Oh we’re almost there, we’re almost there,’” Bernal said. But “internally, we’re nowhere close, so now we have to work harder and harder and harder.” The team has also bled members in recent months, including senior executives.

    Meanwhile, Musk pulled dozens of Tesla engineers to work with code at Twitter, the struggling social media platform Musk purchased with fanfare last fall, according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution, and documents reviewed by The Washington Post. Earlier this month, after Tesla failed to announce a big new product on investor day, the company’s stock sank 6 percent.

    Musk has defended the company’s actions as long-term bets, with the prospect of unlocking tremendous value, and Tesla has said vehicles in Full Self-Driving crash at a rate at least five times less than vehicles driving normally. Musk and Tesla did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    But the story of Full Self-Driving offers a vivid example of how the world’s richest person has complicated one of his biggest bets through rash decision-making, a stubborn insistence on doing things differently, and unyielding confidence in a vision that has yet to be proven.

    “No one believed me that working for Elon was the way it was until they saw how he operated Twitter,” Bernal said, calling Twitter “just the tip of the iceberg on how he operates Tesla.”

    The rise of ‘Full Self-Driving’

    In April 2019, at a showcase dubbed “Autonomy Investor Day,” Musk made perhaps his boldest prediction as Tesla’s chief executive. “By the middle of next year, we’ll have over a million Tesla cars on the road with full self-driving hardware,” Musk told a roomful of investors. The software updates automatically over the air, and Full Self-Driving would be so reliable, he said, the driver “could go to sleep.”

    Investors were sold. The following year, Tesla’s stock price soared, making it the most valuable automaker and helping Musk become the world’s richest person. Full Self-Driving followed Autopilot, which was launched in 2014 and went on to allow cars to navigate highways, from steering and changing lanes to adjusting speed. Full Self-Driving aimed to bring those capabilities to city and residential streets, a far more difficult task.

    The cars rely on a combination of hardware and software to do so. Eight cameras capture real-time footage of activity surrounding the car, allowing the car to assess hazards like pedestrians or bicyclists and maneuver accordingly.

    To deliver on his promise, Musk assembled a star team of engineers willing to work long hours and problem solve deep into the night. Musk would test the latest software on his own car, then he and other executives would compile “fix-it” requests for their engineers.

    Those patchwork fixes gave the illusion of relentless progress but masked the lack of a coherent development strategy, former employees said. While competitors such as Alphabet-owned Waymo adopted strict testing protocols that limited where self-driving software could operate, Tesla eventually pushed Full Self-Driving out to 360,000 owners — who paid up to $15,000 to be eligible for the features — and let them activate it at their own discretion.

    Tesla’s philosophy is simple: The more data (in this case driving) the artificial intelligence guiding the car is exposed to, the faster it learns. But that crude model also means there is a lighter safety net. Tesla has chosen to effectively allow the software to learn on its own, developing sensibilities akin to a brain via technology dubbed “neural nets” with fewer rules, the former employees said. While this has the potential to speed the process, it boils down to essentially a trial and error method of training.

    Rivals at Waymo and Apple take a different approach to autonomy, by setting rules and addressing any breaches if those constraints are violated, according to Silicon Valley insiders with knowledge of company practices, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. Companies developing self-driving also typically use sophisticated lidar and radar systems which help the software map out their surroundings in detail.

    Waymo spokesperson Julia Ilina said there are evident differences between the companies’ approaches, pointing to Waymo’s goal of full autonomy and emphasis on machine learning. Apple declined to comment for this story.

    Tesla’s method has at times proven problematic. Around two years ago, a popular YouTuber captured footage of the software struggling to navigate San Francisco’s famously winding Lombard Street in a video that garnered tens of thousands of views. So Tesla engineers built invisible barriers into the software — akin to bumpers in a bowling alley — to help the cars stay on the road, Bernal said. Subsequent YouTube videos showed them operating smoothly.

    That gave Bernal pause. As an internal tester who drove that stretch of road as part of his job, it was clear that it was far from the typical experience on public streets elsewhere.

    Radar originally played a major role in the design of the Tesla vehicles and software, supplementing the cameras by offering a reality check of what was around, particularly if vision might be obscured. Tesla also used ultrasonic sensors, shorter-range devices that detect obstructions within inches of the car. (The company announced last year it was eliminating those as well.)

    Even with radar, Teslas were less sophisticated than the lidar and radar-equipped cars of competitors.

    “One of the key advantages of lidar is that it will never fail to see a train or truck, even if it doesn’t know what it is,” said Brad Templeton, a longtime self-driving car developer and consultant who worked on Google’s self-driving car. “It knows there is an object in front and the vehicle can stop without knowing more than that.”

    Cameras need to understand what they see to be effective, relying on Tesla workers who label images the vehicles record, including things like stop signs and trains, to help the software understand how to react.

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    Toward the end of 2020, Autopilot employees turned on their computers to find in-house workplace monitoring software installed, former employees said. It monitored keystrokes and mouse clicks, and kept track of their image labeling. If the mouse did not move for a period of time, a timer started — and employees could be reprimanded, up to being fired, for periods of inactivity, the former employees said.

    After a group pushing to unionize Tesla’s Buffalo factory raised concerns about its workplace monitoring last month, Tesla responded in a blog post. “The reason there is time monitoring for image labeling is to improve the ease of use of our labeling software,” it said, adding “its purpose is to calculate how long it takes to label an image.”

    Musk had championed the “vision-only” approach as simpler, cheaper and more intuitive. “The road system is designed for cameras (eyes) & neural nets (brains),” he tweeted in February 2022.

    Some of the people who spoke with The Post said that approach has introduced risks. “I just knew that putting that software out in the streets would not be safe,” said a former Tesla Autopilot engineer who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. “You can’t predict what the car’s going to do.”

    A rise in vehicle crashes

    After Tesla announced it was removing radar in May 2021, the problems were almost immediately noticeable, the former employees said. That period coincided with the expansion of the Full Self-Driving testing program from thousands to tens of thousands of drivers. Suddenly, cars were allegedly stopping for imaginary hazards, misinterpreting street signs, and failing to detect obstacles such as emergency vehicles, according to complaints filed with regulators.

    Some of the people who spoke with The Post attributed Tesla’s sudden uptick in “phantom braking” reports — where the cars aggressively slow down from high speeds — to the lack of radar. The Post analyzed data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to show incidences surged last year, prompting a federal regulatory investigation.

    The data showed reports of “phantom braking” rose to 107 complaints over three months, compared to only 34 in the preceding 22 months. After The Post highlighted the problem in a news report, NHTSA received about 250 complaints of the issue in a two-week period. The agency opened an investigation after, it said, it received 354 complaints of the problem spanning a period of nine months.

    Months earlier, NHTSA had opened an investigation into Autopilot over roughly a dozen reports of Teslas crashing into parked emergency vehicles. The latest example came to light this month as the agency confirmed it was investigating a February fatal crash involving a Tesla and a firetruck. Experts say radar has served as a way to double check what the cameras, which are susceptible to being washed out by bright light, are seeing.

    “It’s not the sole reason they’re having [trouble] but it’s big a part of it,” said Missy Cummings, a former senior safety adviser for NHTSA, who has criticized the company’s approach and recused herself on matters related to Tesla. “The radar helped detect objects in the forward field. [For] computer vision which is rife with errors, it serves as a sensor fusion way to check if there is a problem.”

    Musk, as the chief tester, also asked for frequent bug fixes to the software, requiring engineers to go in and adjust code. “Nobody comes up with a good idea while being chased by a tiger,” a former senior executive recalled an engineer on the project telling him.

    Musk’s resistance to suggestions led to a culture of deference, former employees said. Tesla fired employees who pushed back on his approach. The company was also pushing out so many updates to its software that in late 2021, NHTSA publicly admonished Tesla for issuing fixes without a formal recall notice.

    Last year, Musk decided to buy Twitter, something that became a distraction for the Tesla chief executive, former employees of both companies said. After taking the helm in October, he diverted dozens of engineers — including on Autopilot and Full Self-Driving — to work there with him, further setting back Tesla, according to former employees and documents reviewed by The Post. Software updates that were otherwise issued every two weeks were suddenly spaced out over periods of months, as Tesla worked through bugs and chased more ambitious targets.

    Some lament Musk’s involvement at Twitter, saying he needs to refocus on Tesla to finish what he started. Ross Gerber, a Tesla investor who is running for a seat on the company’s board over concerns about its perceived inaction on Musk’s dueling role as head of Twitter, said Full Self-Driving heralds a bright future for Tesla.

    “We love Elon. He’s the innovator of our time,” he said. “All we want to see is him working full time back at Tesla again.”

    An uncertain future

    Tesla engineers have been burning out, quitting and looking for opportunities elsewhere. Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s director of artificial intelligence, took a months-long sabbatical last year before leaving Tesla and taking a position this year at OpenAI, the company behind language-modelling software ChatGPT.

    “Since Andrej was writing all the code by himself, naturally, things have come to a grinding halt,” Musk said on an earnings call last year, noting he was speaking in jest.

    Ashok Elluswamy, Tesla’s director of Autopilot, has taken on work at Musk’s other company, Twitter, according to employees and documents reviewed by The Post.

    One of the former employees said that he left for Waymo. “They weren’t really wondering if their car’s going to run the stop sign,” the engineer said. “They’re just focusing on making the whole thing achievable in the long term, as opposed to hurrying it up.”

    The Justice Department has requested documents related to Full Self-Driving as part of an ongoing probe, and the Securities and Exchange Commission is looking into Musk’s role in pushing Tesla’s self-driving claims, part of a larger investigation, according to Bloomberg News.

    The lawsuit filed in February alleges that Tesla made “false and misleading” statements, arguing Tesla “significantly overstated” the safety and performance of Autopilot and Full Self-Driving.

    That is in addition to NHTSA’s two probes into Autopilot, one of which is the look at emergency vehicles. That investigation has been upgraded to a more advanced stage: an engineering analysis. The other, into “phantom braking” reports, is ongoing.

    At an investor showcase this month, Musk appeared alongside more than a dozen Tesla employees onstage, touting the company’s broad array of expertise. But the company failed to offer any major developments on Full Self-Driving, despite a segment on the technology.

    And some of Musk’s most loyal customers have given up hope that his initial promise will come true. Charles Cook, a commercial pilot and engineer from Jacksonville, owns a Tesla Model Y that he frequently drives in Full Self-Driving mode.

    While he is amazed at what the technology can do, he is surprised by both the slow pace of progress and the status of Musk’s promises. “Someone might have purchased Full Self-Driving thinking they were going to have a robo-taxi by now and spent their hard earned money on that,” he said.

    “Now his engineers may have laughed at that” but “a customer may have spent $15,000 thinking they’re going to have it next year.” Those customers, he said, lost out.

    “I do not believe you can remove the driver on this hardware suite, ever,” he said.

    Source: The Washington Post

     

    Been calling to a stupid move the day they announced they are removing radar from cars. 

    It still is a stupid idea 4 years later.

     


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    Re: Tesla

    CGX car nut:

    Musk as a visionary is really the recycling of ideas from 1950s SciFi books.  Beyond sprouting a few bromides such as first principles Musk demonstrates, time and time again, little fundamental understanding of the engineering processes involved. Listen to him describe how he builds cars and rockets, that lack of depth is apparent to anyone with any level of technical knowledge. I have posted here many times the advantages of Kalman filtering or sensor fusion and how combining disparate pieces of data together increases accuracy of the output signal.  Musk has taken the opposite approach to no discernible value beyond fooling some investors. 

    I didn't call him a genius, did I? Smiley


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    Re: Tesla

    How about removing the parking sensors? Smiley

    Last Friday, I had to help a friend to get out of a public garage in her Tesla Y.

    She got the car a few weeks ago and it has no...parking sensors. Smiley

    The software update isn't ready yet, unbelievable.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)


    Re: Tesla

    RC:
    CGX car nut:

    Musk as a visionary is really the recycling of ideas from 1950s SciFi books.  Beyond sprouting a few bromides such as first principles Musk demonstrates, time and time again, little fundamental understanding of the engineering processes involved. Listen to him describe how he builds cars and rockets, that lack of depth is apparent to anyone with any level of technical knowledge. I have posted here many times the advantages of Kalman filtering or sensor fusion and how combining disparate pieces of data together increases accuracy of the output signal.  Musk has taken the opposite approach to no discernible value beyond fooling some investors. 

    I didn't call him a genius, did I? Smiley

    Were my comments directed towards you?  Those are generalized statements about how many view Musk. 


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    RC:

    How about removing the parking sensors? Smiley

    Last Friday, I had to help a friend to get out of a public garage in her Tesla Y.

    She got the car a few weeks ago and it has no...parking sensors. Smiley

    The software update isn't ready yet, unbelievable.

    How will the car detect bumper height walls within confined spaces via cameras?  Just another blunder by the boy genius. 


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    CGX car nut:
    RC:

    How about removing the parking sensors? Smiley

    Last Friday, I had to help a friend to get out of a public garage in her Tesla Y.

    She got the car a few weeks ago and it has no...parking sensors. Smiley

    The software update isn't ready yet, unbelievable.

    How will the car detect bumper height walls within confined spaces via cameras?  Just another blunder by the boy genius. 

    I really think some engineer at Tesla thought they could save a ton of money by replacing the parking sensors with the existing sensors and a software update only. It seems it isn't that easy. Smiley

    The thing is: My friend bought the Tesla Y thinking that it actually has parking sensors because the dealer told her so. Range is quite good (aprox. 460 km, she is a normal driver though, not too sporty, doesn't drive faster than 160 or so) but the Tesla Y is bigger than she expected (I was shocked as well) and the missing parking sensors are really a problem. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)


    Re: Tesla

    Not sure if anyone has read this?

    Tesla's Model Y Battery Has 'Zero Repairability,'


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    RC:

    Not sure if anyone has read this?

    Tesla's Model Y Battery Has 'Zero Repairability,'

    The Munro guy is pretty credible but also likes to promote his organization ... click bait?  I don't know.

    I have seen two different Taycans undergoing a traction battery R&R at my local Porsche dealer's service department.  They often are excited to show me something technical that's new to them.  It's pretty involved with special lifting fixture/tools to maneuver the hulk of battery when the vehicle is up in the air on a service lift. 

    It's not clear to me how a crash-tweaked Taycan battery is much less of a problem to repair than a Tesla Model Y battery given the same crash damage profile.
     


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    The Tesla Model Ys being assembled from the Austin, Texas faculty have the batteries encased in a large structural casting.  The cells after pack assembly are sealed within the aforementioned structural casting with a fire retardant polyurethane foam forming a non-serviceable assembly that doubles as the cabin floor as well as the structural chassis element for the body-in-white.  After end-of-serviceable vehicle life, the only way to retrieve the metals, plastics, and other materials is to grind the car into fine bits and mine for the individual components.  This vehicle is not designed for disassembly for repair or recycling. 

    Musk is even proposing assembly methods that further degrade repairability as he strives to reduce all levels of assembly costs.  


    Re: Tesla

    CGX car nut:

    The Tesla Model Ys being assembled from the Austin, Texas faculty have the batteries encased in a large structural casting.  The cells after pack assembly are sealed within the aforementioned structural casting with a fire retardant polyurethane foam forming a non-serviceable assembly that doubles as the cabin floor as well as the structural chassis element for the body-in-white.  After end-of-serviceable vehicle life, the only way to retrieve the metals, plastics, and other materials is to grind the car into fine bits and mine for the individual components.  This vehicle is not designed for disassembly for repair or recycling. 

    Musk is even proposing assembly methods that further degrade repairability as he strives to reduce all levels of assembly costs.  

    Many people complain that Tesla cars are too similar to smart phones in how they relate to driving.  Now, Musk seems to be following the smart phone mechanical design and assembly methods as well.


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    918 Spyder + 992 GT3 Touring + Taycan Turbo + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + BMWs (Z8 + 3.0 CSi) + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Tesla

    I was at the Peterson Automotive Museum with my son earlier today. 

    They are having Tesla as their current theme in the main floor. 

    A Semi was parked outside and also a Model S prototype inside, with a Cybertruck and the never coming Roadster inside. The original Musk Roadster is also part of the exhibit. 

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    A mega casting of the front clip. This is the reason why insurance companies much prefer to write off Teslas instead of repairing them. For front end accidents, this whole thing has to be replaced. At a not inconsiderable cost, on top of removing and reinstalling everything to it. 

     


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    Solid proof that Tesla has made it as a car brand. They have model cars now. 

    Think the only brands without model cars atm now that Tesla got them, are Yugo and Lada. 

    Maybe in another 30 years, some kid will say their dream car is going to be a Tesla Model 3, that they have been playing with a Model 3 model car since they are little. 


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    Whoopsy:

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    Solid proof that Tesla has made it as a car brand. They have model cars now. 

    Think the only brands without model cars atm now that Tesla got them, are Yugo and Lada. 

    Maybe in another 30 years, some kid will say their dream car is going to be a Tesla Model 3, that they have been playing with a Model 3 model car since they are little. 

    If they're playing with a roadster model now, maybe they can drive one in thirty years. 


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    On the Tesla Roadster model just like the real car, one must pay for it now, and wait for delivery sometime in the future. Eventually Musk will Tweet about the toy have rockets and SpaceX technology to complete the simulacra. 


    Re: Tesla

    Whoopsy:

    1679628410542IMG_3288.JPG

    Solid proof that Tesla has made it as a car brand. They have model cars now. 

    Think the only brands without model cars atm now that Tesla got them, are Yugo and Lada. 

    Maybe in another 30 years, some kid will say their dream car is going to be a Tesla Model 3, that they have been playing with a Model 3 model car since they are little. 

     

    Is there an ongoing monthly fee?


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    Think they might still be in beta.


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    Tesla does it again by releasing another beta quality version of its post-sensor based parking system.  https://electrek.co/2023/03/24/tesla-rolls-out-vision-based-park-assist-but-it-could-still-use-some-work/
     

    How long before most potential Tesla customers walk away from these childish and dangerous acts?


    Re: Tesla

    As someone here one said, OTA updates are king, who needs hardware when there is OTA updates. 

    Trust Elon. Elon is god. Elon is almighty.

     


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    CGX car nut:

    Tesla does it again by releasing another beta quality version of its post-sensor based parking system.  https://electrek.co/2023/03/24/tesla-rolls-out-vision-based-park-assist-but-it-could-still-use-some-work/
     

    How long before most potential Tesla customers walk away from these childish and dangerous acts?

    Not sure if this has been discussed already but new Teslas get advanced radar sensors again soon (or already?).

    It seems that Elon Musk finally came to his senses but I wonder what happens to the cars without these sensors. They cannot be retrofitted and they will surely loose value.


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    In today's world, those cars will probably become some sort of bizarre collectors item.


    Re: Tesla

    Gladstone:

    In today's world, those cars will probably become some sort of bizarre collectors item.

    Good point. SmileySmiley


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    Auto Express twin test between the Tesla Model Y and Volkswagen iD Buzz ranks the slower and less rangy ID Buzz ahead of the Model Y as the Volkswagen is the more accomplished family vehicle. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-group-tests/359875/volkswagen-id-buzz-vs-tesla-model-y-2023-twin-test-review  The ID Buzz variant for North America will be quicker and have more range, as well as size, fitting between the Model X and Model Y.  More rough times for Tesla.  


    Re: Tesla

    That a depressing couple of cars, reading that review is not which is best but rather about which is the least worst of the two...


    Re: Tesla

    Yet this represents one of the largest segments of automobiles produced and purchased.  


    Re: Tesla

    True, and cars are only going to get more boring with time the way things are going.


    Re: Tesla

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-rcna78502

    Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

    ”But between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees privately shared via an internal messaging system sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car cameras, according to interviews by Reuters with nine former employees.”

    ”Tesla states in its online “Customer Privacy Notice” that its “camera recordings remain anonymous and are not linked to you or your vehicle.” But seven former employees told Reuters the computer program they used at work could show the location of recordings — which potentially could reveal where a Tesla owner lived.”


    Re: Tesla

    This is a massive invasion of privacy.  I'm astounded and disturbed.  An inconsiderate neighbour constantly parks their Tesla in front of my house--no more, I'm going to need to ask them to park in their own garage from now on.


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    3mph:

    This is a massive invasion of privacy.  I'm astounded and disturbed.  An inconsiderate neighbour constantly parks their Tesla in front of my house--no more, I'm going to need to ask them to park in their own garage from now on.

    Don't pick a fight with a neighbor, this never goes well. Maybe just talk to him, show him the article and be friendly but I guess you know what you have to do. Smiley

    Speaking of cameras: I have various exterior cameras (they are quite small) on my property, most of them are quite invisible but I think some neighbors use a magnification glass to check out my property, so one of the neighbors discovered a camera which faces the stairs of our house and the road in front of it. Actually, you can't see much of the road (unless you park your car in front of my garage), only the stairs. The neighbor insisted on taking a look at my camera angle because he thought his house and the entrance are visible. I told him that this is not the case but he didn't believe me, so I had to show him the camera angle and video view on my phone. This was so annoying to be honest, especially because he didn't believe what I told him. Also, why would he be worried what my cameras record because everything is saved locally on a NAS and in my Dropbox account?! Smiley


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    Re: Tesla

    RC:
    3mph:

    This is a massive invasion of privacy.  I'm astounded and disturbed.  An inconsiderate neighbour constantly parks their Tesla in front of my house--no more, I'm going to need to ask them to park in their own garage from now on.

    Don't pick a fight with a neighbor, this never goes well. Maybe just talk to him, show him the article and be friendly but I guess you know what you have to do. Smiley

    Speaking of cameras: I have various exterior cameras (they are quite small) on my property, most of them are quite invisible but I think some neighbors use a magnification glass to check out my property, so one of the neighbors discovered a camera which faces the stairs of our house and the road in front of it. Actually, you can't see much of the road (unless you park your car in front of my garage), only the stairs. The neighbor insisted on taking a look at my camera angle because he thought his house and the entrance are visible. I told him that this is not the case but he didn't believe me, so I had to show him the camera angle and video view on my phone. This was so annoying to be honest, especially because he didn't believe what I told him. Also, why would he be worried what my cameras record because everything is saved locally on a NAS and in my Dropbox account?! Smiley

    He doesn't want any evidence in case he ever goes to trial Smiley  Sorry, been listening to a crime podcast the last few days and all my assumptions are sinister. 


     
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