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Jan 3, 2023 4:35:17 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004

Old is gold

Here is a contribution to kickstart more content as discussed elsewhere on the board. As new cars get fatter and less engaging I think may of us have begun to look backwards to when electricity was for lighting in cars Smiley and only 6V let alone 12V. I can't find the thread from previously on my 356 Split Window but here she is in a Concours last year:

And the 1958 Speedster beautifully repainted and reupholstered:

And the 1957 Coupe in rally gear for the Route Grand Prix in Belgium:

What a joy these cars are to drive, still Uber Kool after all this time, and remarkably robust. Smiley to Porsche design and engineering.

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Jan 3, 2023 4:52:32 PM

art.italy: Co-Pilot; Loc: Italy , Italy; Posts: 291, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: crayphile

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Smiley Smiley

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Jan 3, 2023 9:59:09 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: art.italy

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Absolutely stunning beauties, Cray! Thanks so much for posting! Do you drive these cars regularly? Any nice adventures worth telling?

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Jan 3, 2023 10:09:44 PM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: Joost

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Fantastic…thanks for posting.

Blueflame

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Jan 4, 2023 3:58:08 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: blueflame

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There is something about that Speedster that says yup, its lines are perfect, no need to fudge it one bit.

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Jan 5, 2023 11:31:21 AM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Joost

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Joost:
Absolutely stunning beauties, Cray! Thanks so much for posting! Do you drive these cars regularly? Any nice adventures worth telling?

Regularly would be an exaggeration , but they do get a run out every so often. The Zoute Rally was there days of full on driving with time trials etc as practice for hopefully doing the Mille Miglia one day.

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Jan 5, 2023 10:21:46 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13735, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: crayphile

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Crayphile, you're the Jay Leno of Europe! A magnificent collection of cars. kiss

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Jan 6, 2023 12:11:08 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: nberry

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Beautiful ! What material is in the footwell of the Speedster? Seems like at least four different finishes in that interior, interesting.

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Jan 6, 2023 5:52:08 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Enmanuel

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very nice

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Jan 7, 2023 10:24:02 AM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Enmanuel

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Enmanuel:
Beautiful ! What material is in the footwell of the Speedster? Seems like at least four different finishes in that interior, interesting.

Base material is original metal with rubber on top. carpets look busy, but are accurate to originals. original Speedsters had leatherette rather than leather, but I prefer real leather and corduroy inserts stop one slipping around in the seat and look cool Smiley . The seats were trimmed by same guys that do the Singer DLS seats.

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Jan 8, 2023 1:20:37 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: crayphile

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Enmanuel:
Beautiful ! What material is in the footwell of the Speedster? Seems like at least four different finishes in that interior, interesting.

Base material is original metal with rubber on top. carpets look busy, but are accurate to originals. original Speedsters had leatherette rather than leather, but I prefer real leather and corduroy inserts stop one slipping around in the seat and look cool . The seats were trimmed by same guys that do the Singer DLS seats.

I didn’t want to say it was busy , but since you said it Smiley . The seats do look very cool !

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Jan 8, 2023 8:09:00 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: crayphile

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Thanks for sharing these too.

Those lines are just iconic, how they flow from the front to the back in subtile curves. Simple.

I always wonder how these cars behave in curves with such narrow tires and having the body overhanging the wheels. Can they actually take some lateral G's or do you need to treat them as old ladies ?

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Jan 8, 2023 2:05:39 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

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Gnil:
Thanks for sharing these too.

Those lines are just iconic, how they flow from the front to the back in subtile curves. Simple.

I always wonder how these cars behave in curves with such narrow tires and having the body overhanging the wheels. Can they actually take some lateral G's or do you need to treat them as old ladies ?

The Speedster and 57 Coupe can be thrown around easily. The Split Window needs to be handled gently.

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Jan 8, 2023 9:30:28 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: crayphile

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Truly glorious Cray, with age I feel the attraction towards these treasures more and more. Modern material just doesn't cut it in the same way.

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Jan 9, 2023 5:12:54 PM

TNF: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 23, 2003; Reply to: Porker

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The Speedster above is chassis 83896, which I owned for about 10 years in South Florida. Great memories of driving my 3 boys when they were little to various little league baseball, soccer and flag football games. My youngest (now 17 then probably 6-7 years old) still remembers us getting caught in the typical Florida torrential downpour and erecting the flimsy top for some small protection. Some people would worry - but we had a blast. When I was roped into attending my wife's friends wedding, I drove the car from the Ft Lauderdale area all the way down to the Florida Keys....a beautiful, scenic road trip. That's a special car, I hope you enjoyed it Crayphile. Some things have been changed, but I still see the seatbelts I installed. I also note it's for sale again at Export 56. I am very, very tempted!

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Jan 12, 2023 3:42:00 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Porker

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Porker:
Truly glorious Cray, with age I feel the attraction towards these treasures more and more. Modern material just doesn't cut it in the same way.

Dude, how old are you again? Smiley

You haven't "suffered" through those times in these cars, so maybe you don't really appreciate modern high tech but I get it, I really do...would love to have a Lancia Delta HF Integrale again in my garage, maybe I'm asking Francois for his... Smiley

Btw: I'm very likely getting a new modern car this year...a M3 CS. I need a daily driver and I think this one is going to be perfect.

I have to be honest though: A 356 would be the last car I would be driving, I have a serious aversion against too old cars, would never get an oldtimer or something like that, this would be pure horror for me. Smiley

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Jan 15, 2023 8:23:20 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC:
Porker:
Truly glorious Cray, with age I feel the attraction towards these treasures more and more. Modern material just doesn't cut it in the same way.

Dude, how old are you again?

You haven't "suffered" through those times in these cars, so maybe you don't really appreciate modern high tech but I get it, I really do...would love to have a Lancia Delta HF Integrale again in my garage, maybe I'm asking Francois for his...

Btw: I'm very likely getting a new modern car this year...a M3 CS. I need a daily driver and I think this one is going to be perfect.

I have to be honest though: A 356 would be the last car I would be driving, I have a serious aversion against too old cars, would never get an oldtimer or something like that, this would be pure horror for me.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)

go for the Delta

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Jan 16, 2023 10:07:32 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: intouch1

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intouch1:
RC:
Porker:
Truly glorious Cray, with age I feel the attraction towards these treasures more and more. Modern material just doesn't cut it in the same way.

Dude, how old are you again?

You haven't "suffered" through those times in these cars, so maybe you don't really appreciate modern high tech but I get it, I really do...would love to have a Lancia Delta HF Integrale again in my garage, maybe I'm asking Francois for his...

Btw: I'm very likely getting a new modern car this year...a M3 CS. I need a daily driver and I think this one is going to be perfect.

I have to be honest though: A 356 would be the last car I would be driving, I have a serious aversion against too old cars, would never get an oldtimer or something like that, this would be pure horror for me.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)

go for the Delta

Prices for "good" ones are insane... Smiley

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)

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Jan 17, 2023 8:59:18 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC:
intouch1:
RC:
Porker:
Truly glorious Cray, with age I feel the attraction towards these treasures more and more. Modern material just doesn't cut it in the same way.

Dude, how old are you again?

You haven't "suffered" through those times in these cars, so maybe you don't really appreciate modern high tech but I get it, I really do...would love to have a Lancia Delta HF Integrale again in my garage, maybe I'm asking Francois for his...

Btw: I'm very likely getting a new modern car this year...a M3 CS. I need a daily driver and I think this one is going to be perfect.

I have to be honest though: A 356 would be the last car I would be driving, I have a serious aversion against too old cars, would never get an oldtimer or something like that, this would be pure horror for me.

--

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)

go for the Delta

Prices for "good" ones are insane...

and will become more so.....it will be a classic

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Jan 23, 2023 4:37:16 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: intouch1

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Had to take this pic as I passed at my local air cooled specialist for my 964

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Jan 23, 2023 5:10:01 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Gnil

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Now that's something you don't see every day.

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Jan 23, 2023 7:49:46 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

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Gnil:
Had to take this pic as I passed at my local air cooled specialist for my 964

That's a piece of art Smiley

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Jan 23, 2023 8:10:10 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

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Gnil:
Had to take this pic as I passed at my local air cooled specialist for my 964

Is this yours?

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Jan 24, 2023 7:07:01 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
Gnil:
Had to take this pic as I passed at my local air cooled specialist for my 964

Is this yours?

I wish it would. The oldest 911 I have is a 964 from 1990. I am keeping an eye open to get a Carrera 3.0 from 76-77 .

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Jan 24, 2023 1:41:14 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

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Gnil:
crayphile:
Gnil:
Had to take this pic as I passed at my local air cooled specialist for my 964

Is this yours?

I wish it would. The oldest 911 I have is a 964 from 1990. I am keeping an eye open to get a Carrera 3.0 from 76-77 .

Did you own and drive Carrera 3.0 or 964 first time round or are you kind of regressing back into them, regressing may not be best term but I'm sure you know what I mean ?

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Jan 24, 2023 3:44:43 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: TB993tt

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TB993tt:

Did you own and drive Carrera 3.0 or 964 first time round or are you kind of regressing back into them, regressing may not be best term but I'm sure you know what I mean ?

I am regressing Smiley 964 was an impulse buy and ended up being the car I like to drive most as a DD. It has flaws, it is not for all the time, but it puts a smile on my face each time.

This lead me to wanting even less modernity. Wanting handles to open the windows and not a switch. Wanting lightweigh and a free reving engine. A car I could also ''tune'' to what I want.

My first aim was to get a 2.7 Carrera but prices are now way too high for having this as a daily car, or for doing any mods.. Then I was contemplating an SC.

The ''garage'' I take my 964 to is specialized in air cooled sports 911 ( road and track ) . Had a few talks with the owner and he thought a Carrera 3.0 would suit exactly my needs.

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Jan 26, 2023 12:48:22 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

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Before you know it you'll be looking at long hood 911S's.

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Jan 26, 2023 5:40:28 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Mithras

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Mithras:
Before you know it you'll be looking at long hood 911S's.

fully agree.....they are the original and most fun

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