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JimFlat6 said:
Nice review. I like the looks of the F355 better, but you can't beat having 483hp.
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JimFlat6 said:
Nice review. I like the looks of the F355 better, but you can't beat having 483hp.
the 355 is perhaps the best sounding modern ferrari made IMO. and modern ferraris are more about sound than performance so i can see their conclusion.
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Nice review. I like the looks of the F355 better, but you can't beat having 483hp.
the 355 is perhaps the best sounding modern ferrari made IMO. and modern ferraris are more about sound than performance so i can see their conclusion.
Autocar is considered by those in the know as the finest autombile magazine on the planet. This is a quote from the article
So, after my first 20 minutes in an F430, I stop and consider what it is I've learnt about a car that I'm led to believe takes the best aspects of the old 360 and adds enough cor blimey to make it the best sports car on sale.
Not much more to say.
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Not much more to say.
btw: author chris harris bought himself a gallardo some time ago. i wonder if he still would.
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Ben,
Could you please compare ground clearance (front)
Challenge Stradale vs. 430
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Ben,
Could you please compare ground clearance (front)
Challenge Stradale vs. 430
430 has much more. i couldn't believe how it made it pulling out on one occasion in specific. this car is VERY street driving friendly. it is certainly an everyday/everywhere car which is not something that can be said about the CS and CGT owing primarily to ground clearance. you can take the 430 anyplace you can take a regular 911 (or 360).
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Ben,
Could you please compare ground clearance (front)
Challenge Stradale vs. 430
430 has much more. i couldn't believe how it made it pulling out on one occasion in specific. this car is VERY street driving friendly. it is certainly an everyday/everywhere car which is not something that can be said about the CS and CGT owing primarily to ground clearance. you can take the 430 anyplace you can take a regular 911 (or 360).
That's what I thought. Obviously there's a plus to that but I love the way the CS sits compared to the 360 or 430. If it weren't for the higher premium ($$) the 43O Spider would bring vs. the CS when going into a possible 43OCS then I wouldn't even be thinking about a switch. I don't think I'm going to trade though. I like everything (cept the premium)about the CS better.
What would you do ? Do you still have your CS ?
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stradale, don't know if euro versions are diff in the ground clearance dept than euro ones, but you can see from this picture the 430 is way jacked up (particularly in the fronot) compared to your CS:
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So you one of those people who subscribe to the philosophy that a good car is one that requires a driver to make it good?
In my view, a near perfect car is one that make the driver near perfect.
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Given the huge premium the spider will be bringing, I'd consider trading (if you can buy at MSRP) just to make a buck
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Given the huge premium the spider will be bringing, I'd consider trading (if you can buy at MSRP) just to make a buck
I see you've changed your mind. Now, you would buy a car and flip it for the sake of profit. Not picking on you... just saying who wouldn't.
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I could get a Spider at MSRP. When I picked up my CS in September 2004 I made arrangements with the dealer to be one of their first Spider orders (conditionally -I had to sell my CS back to them) It's very tempting financially speaking. One of my issues is that I have really fallen in love with how my CS came out spec'd with the interior and colors I wanted. I have not seen one exactly like mine and I'm sure that would be a hang-up for me if I wanted to get back into one. I also think the 430coupe is a much better looking car than the convertible but don't see myself trading a CS for a 430coupe. In my area the spider will fetch a larger used car premium. But I don't want a car more suited for everyday use. I take out my CS once or twice a week (in good weather months) I like the way the 430 looks (almost as much as the CS) but it seems a bit too civilized. I've been hoping for some info on a 43O CS, even spy pics but it will probably be a while. Given my luck the day I took delivery of a Spider the CS would show up Dunno It's a good dilemma to have I guess.....Thanks for your input Ben..
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stradale, don't know if euro versions are diff in the ground clearance dept than euro ones, but you can see from this picture the 430 is way jacked up (particularly in the fronot) compared to your CS:
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I could get a Spider at MSRP. When I picked up my CS in September 2004 I made arrangements with the dealer to be one of their first Spider orders (conditionally -I had to sell my CS back to them) It's very tempting financially speaking. One of my issues is that I have really fallen in love with how my CS came out spec'd with the interior and colors I wanted. I have not seen one exactly like mine and I'm sure that would be a hang-up for me if I wanted to get back into one. I also think the 430coupe is a much better looking car than the convertible but don't see myself trading a CS for a 430coupe. In my area the spider will fetch a larger used car premium. But I don't want a car more suited for everyday use. I take out my CS once or twice a week (in good weather months) I like the way the 430 looks (almost as much as the CS) but it seems a bit too civilized. I've been hoping for some info on a 43O CS, even spy pics but it will probably be a while. Given my luck the day I took delivery of a Spider the CS would show up Dunno It's a good dilemma to have I guess.....Thanks for your input Ben..
you seem the ideal candidate for a stradale and "unless" you utilize the top down option in the 430 spider, you will be ultra dissatisfied on a relative basis IMO. however, we are probably looking at $75 to $100K+ premiums for the spider which is darn near 1/2 a (360) stradale in profit alone (less the 7% your dealer gets on both your CS and spider for commission). if the uniqueness of your interior configuration is worth more to you than the $75 to $100K+ less 7% commission profit, then by all means keep the CS. that said, allowing the dealer to profit on the resale of your CS as well as your spider will likely insure your ability to get a CS at list should they make one.
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I could get a Spider at MSRP. When I picked up my CS in September 2004 I made arrangements with the dealer to be one of their first Spider orders (conditionally -I had to sell my CS back to them) It's very tempting financially speaking. One of my issues is that I have really fallen in love with how my CS came out spec'd with the interior and colors I wanted. I have not seen one exactly like mine and I'm sure that would be a hang-up for me if I wanted to get back into one. I also think the 430coupe is a much better looking car than the convertible but don't see myself trading a CS for a 430coupe. In my area the spider will fetch a larger used car premium. But I don't want a car more suited for everyday use. I take out my CS once or twice a week (in good weather months) I like the way the 430 looks (almost as much as the CS) but it seems a bit too civilized. I've been hoping for some info on a 43O CS, even spy pics but it will probably be a while. Given my luck the day I took delivery of a Spider the CS would show up Dunno It's a good dilemma to have I guess.....Thanks for your input Ben..
you seem the ideal candidate for a stradale and "unless" you utilize the top down option in the 430 spider, you will be ultra dissatisfied on a relative basis IMO. however, we are probably looking at $75 to $100K+ premiums for the spider which is darn near 1/2 a (360) stradale in profit alone (less the 7% your dealer gets on both your CS and spider for commission). if the uniqueness of your interior configuration is worth more to you than the $75 to $100K+ less 7% commission profit, then by all means keep the CS. that said, allowing the dealer to profit on the resale of your CS as well as your spider will likely insure your ability to get a CS at list should they make one.
I don't know 'weather' I'm going to like it or not.
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So you one of those people who subscribe to the philosophy that a good car is one that requires a driver to make it good?
In my view, a near perfect car is one that make the driver near perfect.
yes, a driver's car should be one the driver has to utilize skills to extract the majority of the cars performance rather than the car making the driving look like something he is not. further, as has long been your argument re: porsche, the 430 now is a car that requires high speeds to approach fun. you've often said in the 360 spider with tubi you could experience a large % of the fun at street legal speeds. this is most certainly not the case with the 430 - by a long shot.
it's sad because ferrari was one of the last hold outs in the sports car market but they too appear to have sold out with the 430 to the posuer who makes up a majority of their market (as it does for porsche/bmw/mb, etc). with any luck, they'll do what porsche has done to address the true enthusiast market via their GT2, GT3, and CGT by rolling out another stradale (this time with an option to get it without the granny tranny).
the 430 is truly a fantastic car, but exciting sports car at anything not approaching it's limits it's not (IMO of course). all that said, the CS is probably a bit raw for the sort of daily driving duty the 430 is so very capable of doing. the CS actually gave me more than one headache (from the droning exhaust volume which is ever present with no sound deadening along with the carbon from which it bounces off of) when using it that way and phone (and passenger) conversations were very difficult if not often impossible.
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So you one of those people who subscribe to the philosophy that a good car is one that requires a driver to make it good?
In my view, a near perfect car is one that make the driver near perfect.
yes, a driver's car should be one the driver has to utilize skills to extract the majority of the cars performance rather than the car making the driving look like something he is not. further, as has long been your argument re: porsche, the 430 now is a car that requires high speeds to approach fun. you've often said in the 360 spider with tubi you could experience a large % of the fun at street legal speeds. this is most certainly not the case with the 430 - by a long shot.
it's sad because ferrari was one of the last hold outs in the sports car market but they too appear to have sold out with the 430 to the posuer who makes up a majority of their market (as it does for porsche/bmw/mb, etc). with any luck, they'll do what porsche has done to address the true enthusiast market via their GT2, GT3, and CGT by rolling out another stradale (this time with an option to get it without the granny tranny).
the 430 is truly a fantastic car, but exciting sports car at anything not approaching it's limits it's not (IMO of course). all that said, the CS is probably a bit raw for the sort of daily driving duty the 430 is so very capable of doing. the CS actually gave me more than one headache (from the droning exhaust volume which is ever present with no sound deadening along with the carbon from which it bounces off of) when using it that way and phone (and passenger) conversations were very difficult if not often impossible.
In my view, any car that that is set up for catastrophic failure should the driver make an error in judgment at speed is a coffin with 4 wheels.
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In my view, any car that that is set up for catastrophic failure should the driver make an error in judgment at speed is a coffin with 4 wheels.
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In my view, any car that that is set up for catastrophic failure should the driver make an error in judgment at speed is a coffin with 4 wheels.
Nick, every car that I know of is a potentially lethal device. One inattentive moment at highway speeds can cause death to oneself or others (crossing the double yellow line with oncoming traffic at 65mph for instance). Your statement is folly. Unless the car is going to steer itself as well as accelerate and brake, the driver is going to have some responsibility for his and others' safety. You have to realize this is a subjective criterion and many would call your F430 a rolling coffin...
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Cars which are designed for speed and performance but without safety features in order to allow the driver to explore the very limits of the car (ahem, for the "true" drivers) are the coffins with 4 wheels. Ferrari does have a setting to allow for this.