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    May 14, 2005 10:27:18 PM

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    Hmmm...I believe I could pack a Mac with stuff that is a LOT faster than what you talk about there. No Mac comes standard with 4GB ram, but if you get a built-to-order machine you can have 8GB ram, 2x2.7mhz G5 processors (that make any PC look ever slower than they are..) use raid disks etc etc etc and basically make a monster machine.
    But that's the old "let's pull'em out and measure them"- trick again.

    You could get a Mac that is faster than what you look for I'm sure, but it will probably be too expensive (as in not worth the extra cost).

    The smaller macs you mention, are the "disco-macs". Machines that first and foremost look good, but are too slow for professionals.
    The Mini Mac uses a G4 processor, and so do the PowerBooks...until the new powerbook G5 comes along soon.
    When that happens, you try and find a Vaio or any other machine that can match it.
    For your info: The existing (relatively old) G4 PowerBook comes with a 1GB ram option and it has DVD-writer etc etc. And 1.67 mHz processor (Mac speed, not that watered down PC speed)---but you're right. At 1.3kg you dont get a midget screen of 10.6" like the Vaio. The smallest iBook is 12 inches..and weighs 2.1 kg. Probably heavier due to the extra value you get

    Life is too short for all those smallscreen-backwards-snailslow-BillGates-monopoly-PCs.

    RC, do yourself a favor. Seriously. Check out the specs on the Macs.
    I dont think you know what Macs are all about.
    I'm not saying you will ever switch - cuz your machines are probably great at doing what they do (and besides, nobody will leave a beautiful Mac in their basement ) but check out your options.

    Cuz you know...
    Once you go Mac....



    Check this link: http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

    May 14, 2005 11:07:42 PM

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    Dr.Phil, you can't be serious, can you?`
    I have a question for you and if you answer it, you get the 1st price: why doesn't Apple use for these comparison benchmarks a SPEC certified benchmark?
    Apple used for the scientific software benchmark the Bioinformatics BBSv3 benchmark only and there has been lots of discussions about the credibility of the Apple's comparison with PCs. And I'm talking about serious professionals, not PC/Apple maniacs.
    Apple used for example in Photoshop certain filters to prove the maximum performance gain.
    With audio, they tested Logic Pro 7 against Cubase SX 3.01.
    These benchmark tests are very questionable.

    You have to understand that every manufacturer chooses the systems/software/etc. where HIS OWN system provides the best results.

    So please, if you want to convince me with benchmarks, don't use the ones from Apple's site. They're not worth much. Unless you really trust advertisement.

    And a last point I try to make: I usually build my PCs myself, I just buy the parts (housing, motherboard, CPU, etc.) and put it all together. This is not only fun, it gives me a very performant system at a very attractive price tag, not to speak about the possibility to upgrade the hardware from time to time, gaining even more performance.
    How much does me a superduper G5 system cost? 5000 Euro? I pay 3000 Euro for a PC with all the stuff I want to have it.
    And I'm not into video rendering, etc..

    Again, please try to understand: I really like Apple but I hate those A is better than B and C is better than D discussions. If you want to use Apple computers, great. Use them, they're nice and serve their purpose. Just don't try to convince me that they're the best stuff around because they aren't. If you're really into graphics/video stuff, buy a SGI machine and be happy.

    May 15, 2005 12:16:17 AM

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    Let's face it. Bill Gates "borrowed" Windows from the Apple platform, and to this day it still isn't even close to being as intuitive and easy to use as Mac's OSX...or even OS 6 (from somewhere in the eighties) IMO.




    I can't compare to the MAC OS, but I can imagine that to a lot of people, Windows NT/XP, etc., is not too intuitive.

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    Microsoft dominate the market because Gates was very clever at piggybacking on IBM back in the early 80s, and because most tech companies (who back in the dawn of computers were the only ones using computers) had little alternative to DOS from IBM/Bill Gates.
    DOS was (and is) a tech language for specialists, or creatures from another galaxy. It's not for normal people...but normal people endured the nightmare that was DOS, because they had, or felt they had, very little choice.
    If memory serves me correctly, by the time Apple launched MacIntosh back in 84, DOS was already being used at so many workplaces, people found it easier (and cheaper) to stay with software and hardware they knew from their workplace.

    The rest is history. PCs absolutely dominate, but if you claim they do so because they offer more or are more userfriendly than Mac you need to actually TRY a Mac. (And possibly get a head exam..)
    Ive never in my life met a person who would say "I just dont like an intuitive computer. I like when it's backwards and difficult".
    PCs arent difficult to use for people who use PCs. They have been forced to learn how to use them if they wanted to keep their job (or get one) or forced to get one if they couldnt afford the hi-priced Mac. And lets not forget: There were (and still is) very few software titles for the Mac compared to PC.

    I understand why people use PCs. I really do. And I also understand why they prefer PCs to a Mac. They have more choices when it comes to software and so many people and companoes use them, they are all afraid what might happen if they changed to Mac.
    Fact is most things are compatible with Mac, but that, too, is a different story.

    I bet you anything that noone on this Planet would choose a PC over a Mac if they weren't forced to do so.




    You would lose. I don't think you're serious about that claim, are you? That would imply that Dell, HP, Toshiba, etc., would have zero buyers for home use. Everybody I know has purchased an IBM compatible computer. I don't know any that has bought a MAC. I've never heard anyone say, "I'm buying a PC because I'm forced to. Otherwise, I would have preferred the MAC."

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    Mac is both a lot faster, more intuitive, arguably better, more cleverly designed, arguably easier to use and with OSX undoubtedly crashes a fraction of the times MS and PC's do.
    BUT Macs are more expensive, lack software titles and are peceived somewhat as a "creative person's PC". Exclusively.
    It's a textbook "First mover" example:
    PC pioneers like Gates and IBM conquered the market and successfully made people very dependant of their hard- and software .
    Now those people cant change to e.g. Mac. If they do, they can't interact the same with all the other PC users or e.g. use their preferred PC software as effectively. At least that's what they feel.




    MACs have an advantage because it's one closed box platform, as opposed to the open box of different PC manufacturers that Windows has to support. If that is taken into account, it's amazing that it doesn't crash more often than it has.

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    Sad. I think many people would see a tremendous change in their work and life in general if they went with Mac.




    Tremendous change? What would that be? Productivity? Tell me how a MAC will be better for me than what my XP workstation at work already does for me.

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    And to prove I'm not an undecover Apple employee I'd better tell you that Apple service is just as crappy as PC service, so you dont need to worry about a change there

    May 15, 2005 12:33:08 AM

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    Ok RC, I'm talking about laptop users here. Professional or not. I'm not talking about people who have to render a Pixar movie or do heavy-duty harddisk recording etc etc.
    For that there are other systems that are both faster, purposebuilt and...a lot more expensive than both Mac and PCs.

    Regarding tests: Of course I know all manufacturers want the marketing that works for them, but as far as I know, Intel etc don't have that kinda testresults (including the fact that Mac did a gigaflop before any competitors as far as I know).
    If you have tests that prove the opposite (or claim to prove it) please let me see them. I would think Apple would have been forced by a court of law to take down the tests if their comepetitors found them false.

    I may be wrong, but from what I hear from friends of mine who really are PC pros, the speed of a top model Mac is hard for a PC to follow. (And btw IBM produces the Mac processors, so you can always claim that The dark Side delivers the speed..hehe) But they are too expensive.
    It's like comparing a Porsche to a VW and. Sure the Porshce might be faster, but you've paid twice as much for it!
    As you are well aware of, there are a lot more details than just the processor that have to be fast to get a seriously fast machine.

    BUT like you said, in many cases it is marginal and for most people it's relevant to build a specific machine instead of buying one.

    "Again, please try to understand: I really like Apple but I hate those A is better than B and C is better than D discussions" - Sure you do

    "Just don't try to convince me that they're the best stuff around because they aren't."
    Yes they are. For some.
    But they are not the fastest.
    I dont think any computer is "the best"....but some computer might be better for me than others.

    To me the best computer is a Mac.
    Besides...I believe über-geeek Bill Gates has enough power already, but that's a different story.

    May 15, 2005 12:49:16 AM

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    I can't compare to the MAC OS, but I can imagine that to a lot of people, Windows NT/XP, etc., is not too intuitive.

    * Well, if you haven't tried the Mac OSX there isn't much point in debating this, cuz you wouldn't know what I'm referring to.
    Just stating a fact. No harm intended.

    ::::::::::::::
    I don't know any that has bought a MAC. I've never heard anyone say, "I'm buying a PC because I'm forced to. Otherwise, I would have preferred the MAC."

    *Read my post again. I'm saying there is no other choice for a lot of people with PC. They dont even think about trying let alone buying a Mac, cuz they've been made so absolutely dependant on PCs and Windows that it wouldnt even cross their minds.
    If you dont think there is an alternative why would you be interested in looking for one?
    Often Mac really is a bad alternative for a lot of reasons that have little to do with Mac, and everything to do with history, monopoly and distribution.
    I'm defintely not saying you cant be happy with a PC - of course you can.
    I just think many people would be happier with a Mac.

    ::::::::::
    -Tremendous change? What would that be? Productivity? Tell me how a MAC will be better for me than what my XP workstation at work already does for me.

    * Yes, productivity. An intouitive OS lets you be more creative (in many ways) and an intuitive computer is more fun, less stressful and bottom line makes you (I believe) produce better things.

    You already know some of what I'm talking about if you use Windows.
    Windows is copied from MacIntosh - but doesnt work half as well. But at least it give you an idea of how a good OS can work.

    Try a Mac sometime.
    I'm interested in your opinion.



    May 15, 2005 12:56:22 AM

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    Besides...I believe über-geeek Bill Gates has enough power already, but that's a different story.



    NOW we're getting to the real issue...
    Please don't drink Coca Cola, they already dominate the markets. Don't use Aspirine, this can't be good either.
    Forget about Jeans, too many blue stuff. Eating at McDonald's? No sir. Listening to Pop Music? Too main stream.
    Playing golf? My neighbours grandmother does it too.

    Like I said before: it is "hip" to own a Mac, it is "political correct" to hate Bill Gates...you get my point.

    For me, a Mac is more like a Jaguar or Aston Martin. A Porsche would be Windows XP Pro with lots of CPU/GPU power. And Linux is like Lamborghini in the early stages.
    The Enzo/Carrera GT would be a high performance SGI server.

    Good night, I'm watching MTV Base and "Hip Hop's Sexiest Music Videos"...

    May 15, 2005 1:22:56 AM

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    Its amazing how we can all (generally) agree on Porsche topics but we get so tied up about all of this

    May 15, 2005 1:52:36 AM

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    Its amazing how we can all (generally) agree on Porsche topics but we get so tied up about all of this



    Hey, it's all in fun.

    The big advantage the PC has over the MAC is cost and sw availability. The MAC has over the PC with "intuitiveness" and OS stability. Intuitiveness is not that big a deal to most users of the PC because it is quickly overcome. OS stability has improved since XP professional has come out.

    In the company I work for, we buy thousands of PC's so cost is very important. Maybe I'm biased because I use to work for IBM.

    May 15, 2005 2:40:06 AM

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    In the company I work for, we buy thousands of PC's so cost is very important. Maybe I'm biased because I use to work for IBM.



    Hey I worked for IBM too but IBM also makes the G5 processors for MACs too .
    Sorry guys I didn't mean to start this craze I won't post OT posts anymore.

    May 15, 2005 9:54:31 PM

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    C'mon, Ron. Relax. You started a very interesting OT thread. BTW: congrats, I didn't mean to criticize your choice. I wish I had that machine for my Photoshop jobs.

    May 15, 2005 10:03:34 PM

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    If they ever open up a tech zoo, Gates and Ballmer will be
    in the reptile exhibit, while Jobs might be found in the luxury ostrich section.



    That's pretty darn funny

    May 15, 2005 10:27:48 PM

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    C'mon, Ron. Relax. You started a very interesting OT thread. BTW: congrats, I didn't mean to criticize your choice. I wish I had that machine for my Photoshop jobs.



    RC, of course I didn't get offended or anything at all . I just thought the whole thing got deviated from the main course Porsche.
    Either way Mac or PC other people are getting rich off of us .

    May 15, 2005 10:45:07 PM

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    C'mon, Ron. Relax. You started a very interesting OT thread. BTW: congrats, I didn't mean to criticize your choice. I wish I had that machine for my Photoshop jobs.



    RC, of course I didn't get offended or anything at all . I just thought the whole thing got deviated from the main course Porsche.
    Either way Mac or PC other people are getting rich off of us .



    Ron,
    FWIW, steve Jobs drives a 911.

    May 15, 2005 10:49:43 PM

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    Ron,
    FWIW, steve Jobs drives a 911.



    And Bill Gates owns a 959...among other Porsche cars.

    May 15, 2005 10:53:40 PM

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    The last Dell I bought I'm using now. It's the XPS souped up by one of my IT guys w/ a 19" flat panel.
    I'm not very computer savy so it's probably more than I need.
    Is the XPS a good unit ?

    May 15, 2005 11:11:15 PM

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    Let's face it. Bill Gates "borrowed" Windows from the Apple platform,




    False! Apple ripped off the Graphical User Interface from Exerox, which was implemented for windows first. Check out the Robert X. Cringely movie Triumph of the Nerds.

    May 15, 2005 11:24:01 PM

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    If they ever open up a tech zoo, Gates and Ballmer will be
    in the reptile exhibit, while Jobs might be found in the luxury ostrich section.



    Actually, Jobs is a true snake in the grass.

    May 15, 2005 11:52:16 PM

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    C'mon, Ron. Relax. You started a very interesting OT thread. BTW: congrats, I didn't mean to criticize your choice. I wish I had that machine for my Photoshop jobs.



    RC, of course I didn't get offended or anything at all . I just thought the whole thing got deviated from the main course Porsche.
    Either way Mac or PC other people are getting rich off of us .



    Maybe we need an off-topic forum?

    May 16, 2005 12:23:11 AM

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    Maybe we need an off-topic forum?




    Helluva good idea.
    RC? Can you set one up?

    May 16, 2005 12:38:26 AM

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    Good night, I'm watching MTV Base and "Hip Hop's Sexiest Music Videos"...

    And RC ... did you enjoy the sexy videos?

    May 16, 2005 6:39:32 AM

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    As probably one of a few on this board who has used PCs since the first Microsoft product (4K Basic)(Yes, 4,000 Bytes Basic) on an Altair 8080 (circa 1975 and you had to construct you own hardware), I too have been a Window user since version 1.0 (Adobe PageMaker). But, with three daughters at college, first it started with the iBooks and then the PowerBooks and now the Mac mini. I am now a convert also. They just run so much better and as the chief MIS person for my daughters away at school, there is just less maintance required with Macs. They also have PC desktops with either iBooks or Powerbook laptops. The Macs require less software maintenance where the PCs require more software maintenance.

    May 16, 2005 7:17:44 AM

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    So vtrader, do you personally use a MAC at home?

    May 16, 2005 7:46:32 AM

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    In the company I work for, we buy thousands of PC's so cost is very important. Maybe I'm biased because I use to work for IBM.



    Hey I worked for IBM too but IBM also makes the G5 processors for MACs too .
    Sorry guys I didn't mean to start this craze I won't post OT posts anymore.



    Ron, which IBM facility did you work at? I worked in Owego, NY and San Jose, CA. Nice to know a fellow IBMer.

    May 16, 2005 10:40:00 PM

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    RC, I would never dare to argue with you about cars, I tend to just read the posts and learn from people like you, Carlos etc, however I think you are pretty wrong on your perception of PC Performance on a couple of points:

    1 - Thinking there are a lot less issues with viruses in MAC than PC is not being naive, is reality, also simple to understand and well known by all (sorry most ), MAC share of the market is 3%, most if not all large instututions run on windows not MAC, if you are someone creating a virus, you would not do it to attack 3% of the population would you? Again, not really to do with apple being better just a market share reality.

    2 - Apple computers are very different in design than PCs, as someone else mentioned, is a miracle a PC run on windows works as well as it does because of the many components created by different people and stuffed in a box. Therefore Apple is more reliable. If apple is more reliable which most people who have ever used apple would agree is one of the key characteristics of an apple system , then I would not compare and apple to an aston martin....

    3 - As opossed to cars where unfortunately I cannot own all the cars I would like (550, GT, 911TT, 987S), when it comes to computers I do not have to choose, I have 2 PCs at home, both top of the line Dells, plus a Vaio laptop, but I also have a double G5 Power Mac, and a Power book (apple laptop). I have the PCS because until 2 years ago all I ever used were PCs, well, before a PC I had an Amiga which was incredible, a C64, Vic20, and back all the way to ZX Spectrum 48K and Zx81. I changed to apple 1st with the laptop and then with the desktop. Which one is better? I guess it depends on what you want it for, my personal opinion having both is that if you are looking for performance, reliability and beauty in design and your work does not require you to own a PC, or you desire to own thousands of games, you would have an apple and throw away your PC off the window. Regarding your leisure laptop, I would suggest you check the specks of any Powerbook.

    By the way I love gates, made nice money with MSFT in the market , never made any money with aapl since I did not buy the stock , I think Gates is a geek and Jobs a snob, so as you can see I am pretty objective and far from the gates bashing bs...

    May 16, 2005 10:52:22 PM

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    By the way I love gates, made nice money with MSFT in the market , never made any money with aapl since I did not buy the stock , I think Gates is a geek and Jobs a snob, so as you can see I am pretty objective and far from the gates bashing bs...



    Apple Computer share price gained 400% in the last year!

    Let's just say that a few people who read into the success of the iPod made A LOT of money!

    May 17, 2005 5:05:58 AM

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    In the company I work for, we buy thousands of PC's so cost is very important. Maybe I'm biased because I use to work for IBM.



    Hey I worked for IBM too but IBM also makes the G5 processors for MACs too .
    Sorry guys I didn't mean to start this craze I won't post OT posts anymore.



    Ron, which IBM facility did you work at? I worked in Owego, NY and San Jose, CA. Nice to know a fellow IBMer.



    Global Services in Houston .

    May 17, 2005 6:45:56 AM

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    My 2p experience

    I am using both PCs (Windows XP Pro) and Macs (OS X 10.4 now), and I should confess that for the normal business and private daily use I am doing (email, internet, office, photoshop, dreamweaver, etc.), there is nothing equivalent to the Mac in terms of stability, reliability, ease of use, absence of viruses, etc.

    At my workplace, there is not a week where I should call my helpdesk staff to clear a problem either on my IBM laptop or desktop.

    At home, my PowerBook G4 is still working at the same pace since 2 years now and the only maintenance I am doing regularly is backups and repair disk authorizations.

    I also had a PC with XP Pro at home which I finally replaced with an iMac G5 as I got fed up with persistent OS problems and all the problems linked to viruses and so on.

    On his side, my father, who is not an IT fellow at all, also runned a PC on XP Home for which he is got to call his dealer almost on a monthly basis to get the PC repaired (viruses, drivers, crashes, etc.). As the only thing he is asking is a computer that let him do the job he wants without having to worry about hardware, OS related problems and other viruses stuff, I tried to convince him to buy a Mac.

    That's what he did! He could install and configure his new toy himself in less than five minutes, and has had not even a small problem since the beginning of the year when he bought his Mac.

    What seems to be good on the private side seems to be good also on the business side if I understand a paper from Gartner I read recently concluding that a company investing in Mac (or Linux) instead of PCs on Windows can save more than half of their current maintenance costs.

    May 17, 2005 9:13:18 AM

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    Wow, this discussion is so civilized...I'm impressed. Usually, when people are talking about IT stuff like operating systems, a holy war seems to start each time.

    BTW: for Apple Users, this might be interesting (brandnew): http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1041.html
    Rami, yes, I enjoyed the nice videos on MTV base. Never knew that the videos I watched for the past few years had XXX versions too. What I love about Hip Hop videos: you see beautiful things, nice cars, houses, women and the music isn't bad either. Maybe a little bit strange that a white boy at 40 likes this stuff but my wife loves it too.
    My 4-year old girl's favorite tunes are Car Wash (Christina Aguilera, Missy E.), 1,2,3 Step (Ciara), Lonely (Akon) and Baby Boy (Beyonce & Sean Paul). Funny, isn't it? Seems to be in our genes...

    Regarding Bill Gates: Microsoft may not have played fair all the time and of course they have some sort of monopoly in certain domains. BUT: Bill Gates donated so much money to charity, I'm looking at the higher Windows/Office prices as some sort of participating in donating too.
    Even if I would own billions, I don't think I would be THAT generous, especially since I have kids and I would think about them first. Of course it may not matter if you own 10 billions or 30 billions but anyway, would you give away a third of your money to charity? I doubt it. I'm donating all the time but family comes first.
    So Bill Gates may be a geek, he may be a tough business man too but he's a family father, he loves cars too, he does a lot for charity and I have a lot of respect for him. Many people view him as a IT monster, I just say he was lucky and was intelligent enough to take his chance.

    Regarding Apple: I think that iTunes was a great idea, it not only helped the iPod to become THE MP3 player, it changed the attitude of many people to actually PAY for their downloads. The only problem I have with Apple is that I can't build my stuff myself, saving a lot of money.
    Also the variety of software isn't that great, Windows programs are available in the thousands and some are really good and not available for MacOS. Games would be another example but I'm not that much into games anymore, simply because I don't have the time anymore.
    Right now I got grey hair from Linux root server administration and PHP, this is work enough for me in my spare time, not to speak about the family and of course...cars.

    May 17, 2005 11:09:28 AM

    Rami
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    Re: OT but had to share

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Rami, yes, I enjoyed the nice videos on MTV base. Never knew that the videos I watched for the past few years had XXX versions too. What I love about Hip Hop videos: you see beautiful things, nice cars, houses, women and the music isn't bad either. Maybe a little bit strange that a white boy at 40 likes this stuff but my wife loves it too.
    My 4-year old girl's favorite tunes are Car Wash (Christina Aguilera, Missy E.), 1,2,3 Step (Ciara), Lonely (Akon) and Baby Boy (Beyonce & Sean Paul). Funny, isn't it? Seems to be in our genes...

    You're not alone RC. I have tons of high-quality hiphop/R&B videos on my hard drives here
    For me there's nothing like it And I'm a 34 year old white boy so ...

    May 17, 2005 11:33:37 AM

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    Re: OT but had to share

    i am using pc on my music production! never crash

    but how come they tested amd64 faster then g5 mac , and trust me g5 do crash on their own program pro logic 7 .

    cant be sayinhg which r prefect ,
     
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