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and yes, the Panamera is ugly and that stands, no matter what people say, one way or the other.



The Panamera will be another car in the Porsche design ethos. It will be neither beautiful nor ugly but it will have some design elements from other Porsches and it will stand out as something different with Porsche DNA.

No production Porsche in history has been beautiful in the Italian School sense of the word. Think of the 924 and 928 when they first came out,



You are a romantic and re the Panamera/Cayenne you are in denial.



Uninformed is more accurate.

Reginos, How old are you? What are you talking about? How many years have you been driving Porsche's. When was the first time you walked around a porsche showroom?

Porsche dna, classic, give me a break. Why don't you go on and on about the 356 or the california spyder? Why 911 911 911 so much. Were you around in Porsche's heyday, when they were the top sportscar manufacturer and the 911 just another model 20+ years before anniversary models?

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So many 911 fanboy's that will accept anything. THE TRADITION with the 911 WAS that it was AIR-COOLED! The looks and the rear engine come from WHAT? It comes from the PEOPLE'S CAR, the VOLKSWAGEN! That's the family history. The 924, that was an audi, the porsche family has ties way back with audi, auto union.

The 928 was the best looking, best built, best performing porsche built until the CGT. It won european car of the year on its debut! It was praised by the the press and a great sales success for most of it's life. Those who really know cars regard it as one of the most beautiful ever built, me too. It was a clean sheet design by the best generation of porsche engineers ever, at the height of porsche racing success, and it was ferry's favorite and daily driver.

The CGT also proved Porsche could produce an engineering and design marvel.

But the Cayenne was a lazy lackluster effort. This generation of Porsche engineers and designers are not as good as their predecessor's.

It is not the same company, all the people who designed the 917, 956, 962, and 928 are retired or passed, only the badge is the same.

That's why the panamera looks like it does, this porsche has a different philosophy and much lower capabilities.

As far as other marques, ISUK, makes a good point. Too many associate a high price tag with beauty or desirability. Most current f-cars are ugly along with a lot of other high priced cars. A lot of threads on these boards exhibit a lot of "gold-digging".