And for NY Metro & other areas in the US if you're a "Brand New customer" forget about getting a new 8 cyl car
altogether you can't even get on the waitlist. For the 360 my dealer had a 3 year wait for new customers, for the 430 they wont even take a deposit from a new customer, 430's are only for "existing customers". And even existing customers have waited 2, 3 or even 4 years. Know a few guys that bought 360's in 2003, 2004 that still haven't received their 430's. It's crazy. Mint used 430's are still going for way over list, the Spyder is still selling for $50k - $75k + over sticker. The wait is only hard for your first car, once you have one than waiting for the next car/ model is not hard at all, matter of fact it's a lot of fun!