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    KresoF1:
    Rossi:
    KresoF1:
    artur777:
    KresoF1:
    MY16

    MY 16 = Sales start from Autumn 15?

    More likely late Spring 2015.

    That's quite early, isn't it? Smiley

    It is. But, 991.2 Turbo will be introduced pretty early. Maybe even end of this(calendar) year!Smiley

    According to my P source 991.2 models are READY.


    Kreso, if I were you, I would not order a Turbo now, if the facelift is more or less around the corner. Smiley

    Concerning the GT3RS, a model with short production cycle and with low production numbers is not necessarily a bad thing.


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    Super Darius:
    KresoF1

    Can you handle the truthSmileySmileySmiley

    GT3 RS will be introduced as 991 model immediately after deliveries of 991 GT3 with new engine begin. It will be a limited car in numbers.

    What is a bad and pretty weird thing is the fact that very soon after 991 GT3 RS intro new 991.2 models will be introduced. I heard that new 991.2 Carreras, Targas and Turbos will be introduced at the same time!SmileySmiley

    Basically, 991 GT3 RS will be model with very short production life.

    I will answer you tomorrow morning...SmileySmileySmiley

    Is again evening,but i find the time...

    for what i whant/think to do with the RS(take it for a few years)short life production can be good...the less they make the more exclusive it will be,the "better" Smiley resale value it will have.

    Sure i don't like what they are doing with the Turbo...a restyling after an year and half from the introduction on this kind of car,will kill the resale value more than what we think.Smiley

    If really will come so soon,and you are in time, don't take it...


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    First regarding 991 GT2 RS... IF there will be 960, then there WON'T be 991 GT2 RS.

    Second, 981.2... I am not so sure that Porsche knows how to position it in the future. New engines will be very interesting from technical point of view. That is for sure.


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    Rossi:
    KresoF1:
    Rossi:
    KresoF1:
    artur777:
    KresoF1:
    MY16

    MY 16 = Sales start from Autumn 15?

    More likely late Spring 2015.

    That's quite early, isn't it? Smiley

    It is. But, 991.2 Turbo will be introduced pretty early. Maybe even end of this(calendar) year!Smiley

    According to my P source 991.2 models are READY.


    Kreso, if I were you, I would not order a Turbo now, if the facelift is more or less around the corner. Smiley

    Concerning the GT3RS, a model with short production cycle and with low production numbers is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Stefan, Turbo FL is in worst case scenario one year away from now. I still did not made final decision yet...

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    I already got pics of 991.2 Turbo interior with new steering wheel and updated PCM. My P source admited that 991.2 s ready... Difficult time for making wise purchase decision regarding 991 Turbo...


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    Kreso, besides the new steering wheel, is there any noticable difference in interior design for the facelift 991?


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    KresoF1:
    Rossi:
    KresoF1:
    Rossi:
    KresoF1:
    artur777:
    KresoF1:
    MY16

    MY 16 = Sales start from Autumn 15?

    More likely late Spring 2015.

    That's quite early, isn't it? Smiley

    It is. But, 991.2 Turbo will be introduced pretty early. Maybe even end of this(calendar) year!Smiley

    According to my P source 991.2 models are READY.


    Kreso, if I were you, I would not order a Turbo now, if the facelift is more or less around the corner. Smiley

    Concerning the GT3RS, a model with short production cycle and with low production numbers is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Stefan, Turbo FL is in worst case scenario one year away from now. I still did not made final decision yet...

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    I already got pics of 991.2 Turbo interior with new steering wheel and updated PCM. My P source admited that 991.2 s ready... Difficult time for making wise purchase decision regarding 991 Turbo...

    Dear Kreso F1, 

    why is it difficult to choose 991.2 Turbo if it is going to be better than 991 Turbo including in terms of power and torque!


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    You missunderstud me.
    It is difficult to get now
    991 Turbo.
    But, I can somehow live with it...

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    tks Kreso for all those interesting news ! my Boss is currently eying a 991 Turbo S cabrio and despite a good offer this is vital info !


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    KresoF1:

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    All indications are that it will be announced in June 2014 for September 2014.


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    KresoF1:

    First regarding 991 GT2 RS... IF there will be 960, then there WON'T be 991 GT2 RS.

    Is this from information you have or speculation?

    If so, it might be a wrong decision. I could envisage Porsche selling both the GT2 RS and the 960 at similar prices to different clientele. There are true 911 aficionados who would want a super powerful RWD 911 instead of a mid-engined car.


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    "Form follows function"


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    BjoernB:

    tks Kreso for all those interesting news ! my Boss is currently eying a 991 Turbo S cabrio and despite a good offer this is vital info !

    Warning-Porsche has very strange habit of introducing its new models via press releases and then start to sell them at least 6 months later... So, if 991.2 Turbo gets press release say it in end of 2014 sale could start in May 2015 as MY16 model.

    It is after all one year from now...


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    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    All indications are that it will be announced in June 2014 for September 2014.

    My info is little bit different-press pics June 2014. Start of sale October 2014.


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    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    First regarding 991 GT2 RS... IF there will be 960, then there WON'T be 991 GT2 RS.

    Is this from information you have or speculation?

    If so, it might be a wrong decision. I could envisage Porsche selling both the GT2 RS and the 960 at similar prices to different clientele. There are true 911 aficionados who would want a super powerful RWD 911 instead of a mid-engined car.

    Info is from my P source.

    IF there will be both 960 and 991 GT2 RS then they will sell at very different price points.

    960 will start at 300K € German price wise and will be positioned in Aventador, F12 class.

    991 GT2 RS will start at 250K € German price and and natural competitors will be 458 Speciale and 650S.

    To offer both at similar price point would be a totally wrong decison IMHO from several points of view.

    You are forgetting one very important thing-even Porsche can not sell that many cars in above 250K € range...


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    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    All indications are that it will be announced in June 2014 for September 2014.

    My info is little bit different-press pics June 2014. Start of sale October 2014.

    OK one month later.

    Therefore, since this is the car you really want, why buy the Turbo now and suffer the initial depreciation just to use it briefly?


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    "Form follows function"


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    reginos:
    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    All indications are that it will be announced in June 2014 for September 2014.

    My info is little bit different-press pics June 2014. Start of sale October 2014.

    OK one month later.

    Therefore, since this is the car you really want, why buy the Turbo now and suffer the initial depreciation just to use it briefly?

    Because I want both.Smiley

    991 Turbo is done deal.

     


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    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    First regarding 991 GT2 RS... IF there will be 960, then there WON'T be 991 GT2 RS.

    Is this from information you have or speculation?

    If so, it might be a wrong decision. I could envisage Porsche selling both the GT2 RS and the 960 at similar prices to different clientele. There are true 911 aficionados who would want a super powerful RWD 911 instead of a mid-engined car.

    Info is from my P source.

    IF there will be both 960 and 991 GT2 RS then they will sell at very different price points.

    960 will start at 300K € German price wise and will be positioned in Aventador, F12 class.

    991 GT2 RS will start at 250K € German price and and natural competitors will be 458 Speciale and 650S.

    To offer both at similar price point would be a totally wrong decison IMHO from several points of view.

    You are forgetting one very important thing-even Porsche can not sell that many cars in above 250K € range...


    So, Porsche will still not have a mid engined car in the 458 class, but aim for a class above!

    If they could engineer the 960 as a 458/650 rival at 230-250K€,  it would have been better IMO. At this price they could also have a limited run of GT2RS for the extreme-911 lovers. The extra cost of engineering the RS over the GT2 would not be large.


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    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    KresoF1:
    reginos:
    KresoF1:

    To be fully honest with you IF Mercedes already announced oficially AMG GT I would not order 991 Turbo.

    All indications are that it will be announced in June 2014 for September 2014.

    My info is little bit different-press pics June 2014. Start of sale October 2014.

    OK one month later.

    Therefore, since this is the car you really want, why buy the Turbo now and suffer the initial depreciation just to use it briefly?

    Because I want both.Smiley

    991 Turbo is done deal.

     


    Perhaps, you could keep both as the Mercedes might offer a different type of driving possibilities.


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    My intention is too keep both. AMG GT will have 6 years production time and there wont be a facelift. Mercedes will later in model life introduce more extreme Black series version and soon in model life base version. Car will have three power levels.

    Evenutally, I will replace 991 Turbo with 991.2 Turbo if I get the right offer.

    What I need now is a family car since my A6(313ps biturbo diesel) will go to the new owner next week. My wife is a key decision holder here and she has her favourites: Macan S diesel. IMHO way too expensive locally and I suggested her X3 3.5d(FL with full options incl. M package). We are one kid family and do not need big SUV.


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    If your wife does the driving get the X3, if you drive get the Macan. The small Porsche drives very well even the diesel. Only small minus, more  body roll than I would have liked. The car had air suspension. Perhaps, PDCC should be made available.


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    reginos:

    If your wife does the driving get the X3, if you drive get the Macan. The small Porsche drives very well even the diesel. Only small minus, more  body roll than I would have liked. The car had air suspension. Perhaps, PDCC should be made available.

    I drove only Macan Turbo and agree fully with your findings.

    This is Off Topic but I am somehow dissapointed with Macan. IMO it do not justify its price position above its competitors(on most EU markets).


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    KresoF1:
    reginos:

    If your wife does the driving get the X3, if you drive get the Macan. The small Porsche drives very well even the diesel. Only small minus, more  body roll than I would have liked. The car had air suspension. Perhaps, PDCC should be made available.

    I drove only Macan Turbo and agree fully with your findings.

    This is Off Topic but I am somehow dissapointed with Macan. IMO it do not justify its price position above its competitors(on most EU markets).

    Here only the diesel is good value because it fits perfectly the local CO2 law.

    The other two are very expensive for what they are.


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    Kreso F1,

    what about Corvette Z06? It is also prime competitor


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    Porsche 991 GT3 RS prototype on road in Nürburg...

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_1_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_2_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_3_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_4_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_5_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_6_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche-991-GT3-RS_7_Apr-2014.jpg

    Porsche 991 GT3 RS prototype on road in Nürburg -- Gallery link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Great pics GTS :)

    Hopefully only two months before we see the finished car at Goodwood. Though that may be another rumour!


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    RS60 Spyder, 991 GT3 RS on order... with VW engine :(


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    boytronic:

    Great pics GTS :)

    Hopefully only two months before we see the finished car at Goodwood. Though that may be another rumour!

    Hope not!!

     


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    RC, may I post a pic of the final 991 GT3 RS here?  I think the embargo will be down much sooner than in two months....


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    SportCarGroup:

    RC, may I post a pic of the final 991 GT3 RS here?  I think the embargo will be down much sooner than in two months....


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    Not one , MANY !!!!   Smiley

    Isn't the rule that , as long as it is impossible to trace your source , anything can go Smiley


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    I just got some pic....one pic from the official source....But don't want make trouble to my source.....since P are browsing our forums from time to time it may be unsafe.... If I would know that the official release is in two more days or so I would post it, but since it was rumored up to 2 months....I'm not sure...


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    How Porsche would know where you have got the pic from?


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    If it puts your source in danger, don't do it .

    How is the back wing ? How are the air intake openings and what about the hood + roof shape ?


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