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    Re: GT4RS

    Schutzhund:
    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4.  Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

    PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020 Smiley


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: GT4RS

    the-missile:
    Schutzhund:
    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4.  Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

    PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020 Smiley

    Even accounting for PDK and buckets as std I can't see that price in 2 years due to other RS enhancements.  PAG is built on a hierachy whereby they want owners to step up when replacing.  PAG will protect the GT3 as much as it can.  Pricing the GT4RS into GT3 territory while being, presumably, less capable would eliminate a lot of those IMHO. 


    Re: GT4RS

    On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: GT4RS

    Gnil:

    On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k 

    Smiley
     

    You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further Smiley I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

     


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    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White


    Re: GT4RS

    Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

    The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

    If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

    CHF148.000.


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    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"


    Re: GT4RS

    reginos:

    Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

    The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

    If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

    CHF148.000.

    Swiss premium Smiley

    I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more heart


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    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White


    Re: GT4RS

    If someone buys from Germany without VAT for export, there will be a problem to pay the local tax and to register in Switzerland?


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    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

     


    Re: GT4RS

    bluelines:
    Gnil:

    On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k 

    Smiley
     

    You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further Smiley I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

     

    A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next...Smiley...


    Re: GT4RS

    Porsche has probably concluded that demand for GT cars is not significantly susceptible to the current economic issues.  They can always provide incentives to dealers that would allow significant discounting without being formally disclosed to consumers. That would make more sense than reducing price expectations.


    Re: GT4RS

    d997h:
    bluelines:
    Gnil:

    On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k 

    Smiley
     

    You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further Smiley I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

    A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next...Smiley...

    There is always a quicker guy... Smiley


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    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White


    Re: GT4RS

    reginos:

    If someone buys from Germany without VAT for export, there will be a problem to pay the local tax and to register in Switzerland?

    No, not a problem, but I doubt it is worth it with import fees and lower resale value...


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    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White


    Re: GT4RS

    bluelines:
    reginos:

    Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

    The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

    If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

    CHF148.000.

    Swiss premium Smiley

    I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more heart

     

    Don't forget we still have the '' euro bonus '' that is taken off every new Porsche you buy.  Basically it follows the exchange rate. It can be up to 10% discount . So that 122 k base price is probably more 110k when you buy the car.


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: GT4RS

    Gnil:
    bluelines:
    reginos:

    Why is the basic car so expensive in CH?

    The starting price in Germany is the equivalent of .CHF102.000, whereas in Switzerland it starts at CHF 122.000. Big difference.

    If you add to that full buckets and ceramic brakes, for example plus some bits and pieces you are there at

    CHF148.000.

    Swiss premium Smiley

    I paid CHF 105 for my first GT4. With euro bonus, full buckets and other bits and bobs. Now Porsche wants 50% more heart

    Don't forget we still have the '' euro bonus '' that is taken off every new Porsche you buy.  Basically it follows the exchange rate. It can be up to 10% discount . So that 122 k base price is probably more 110k when you buy the car.

    True Smiley


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    2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
    2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White


    Re: GT4RS

    bluelines:
    d997h:
    bluelines:
    Gnil:

    On the floor at my dealer there is a standard GT4 with a few options, price is CHF 148k 

    Smiley
     

    You can pick up the original GT4 for almost half that price, it sounds better, it is 80kg (!) lighter and it will not deprecate further Smiley I am a bit tempted by the GT4 RS in a flashy PTS color, but only if Porsche has built it to compete with the GT3 and GT3 RS big boys. Otherwise I would never pay that money but go for a GT3 instead.

    A guy in a 991.2 T was quicker than the average GT4 drivers recently in Hockenheim. One of the guys overtaken then said to me get a GT3 next...Smiley...

    There is always a quicker guy... Smiley

    Sure, but we are talking 385 hp n/a vs. 370 hp turbos ... I assume that there are some 981 GT4 out there thinking they would be faster than a 991.2 base / S ... but you are right, there is always a bigger fish...


    Re: GT4RS

    Schutzhund:
    the-missile:
    Schutzhund:
    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    That would make it approx $150k US, 50% premium on GT4.  Too high of a guess IMHO unless that includes lots of optional equipment.

    PAG is normally very readable on pricing structure. RS model of the GT3 cost about 30-40%% more. 50% more seems excessive but hey we are in 2020 Smiley

    Even accounting for PDK and buckets as std I can't see that price in 2 years due to other RS enhancements.  PAG is built on a hierachy whereby they want owners to step up when replacing.  PAG will protect the GT3 as much as it can.  Pricing the GT4RS into GT3 territory while being, presumably, less capable would eliminate a lot of those IMHO. 

     

    Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

     


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    Re: GT4RS

    Whoopsy:

    Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

     

    I fully agree.  991GT3 was at bargain price.  992 is now too expensive.  992GT3 has to be quite a bit more expensive.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S;  2019 Speedster
     


    Re: GT4RS

    Targa Tim:
    Whoopsy:

    Knowing Porsche, they will jack up the price of the 992 GT3 to create room. So not a problem there.

     

    I fully agree.  991GT3 was at bargain price.  992 is now too expensive.  992GT3 has to be quite a bit more expensive.

    Every GT3 has always been a bargain (though still a stretch for me).  Would be a shame to end that now Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: GT4RS

    too bad about the centre locks, otherwise an interesting rig


    Re: GT4RS

    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    Any new rumors concerning its engine?


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    2018 White 911 GT3


    Re: GT4RS

    Gauss:
    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    Any new rumors concerning its engine?

    Anything else as the new 4.0 non-GT Engine would be a total surprise and against Porsche business policy, maybe a little  increase of 15 HP over the 718 Spyder/GT4 version.

    Blueflame


    Re: GT4RS

    Will the engine and gearbox be track reliable enough (with regular engine), just like a GT3 RS for example. That's what I wonder.


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    2018 White 911 GT3


    Re: GT4RS

    Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries. 


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: GT4RS

    the-missile:

    Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries. 

    Limited or cash cow?


    Re: GT4RS

    blueflame:
    Gauss:
    Whoopsy:

    I expect this car to be at around $180kCAD. 

    It will blow the doors off 991 GT3s in the handling department with a mid engine layout plus RS level suspension.

    This is one car I am waiting for.

    Any new rumors concerning its engine?

    Anything else as the new 4.0 non-GT Engine would be a total surprise and against Porsche business policy, maybe a little  increase of 15 HP over the 718 Spyder/GT4 version.

    Blueflame

    Most persistant rumor is 25-35 hp more (440-450).  Some of course maintain it will be a high as 475 hp with a GT3 derivative engine.


    Re: GT4RS

    crayphile:
    the-missile:

    Yes. It is an RS product. Fit for track duty. No worries. 

    Limited or cash cow?

     

    Not numbered if that's what you are asking.

     


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    Re: GT4RS

    Gauss:

    Will the engine and gearbox be track reliable enough (with regular engine), just like a GT3 RS for example. That's what I wonder.

     

    Like someone said, it won't have the RS badging if it can't withstand track duties. Heck, they have been thrashing the prototype at Weissach for like 2 years now.


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    Re: GT4RS

    dry sump should do the trick broken heart


    Re: GT4RS

    As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

    That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.


    Re: GT4RS

    The many videos suggest naturally aspirated yes


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    2018 White 911 GT3


    Re: GT4RS

    y0ukz:

    As far as I know this car is gonna be Turbo Charged. I think is gonna just use a Carrera S engine with some tweaks. Might sound dissapointing but IMO makes sense to make a total different proposal than a GT3. Not NA and mid engine layout. PDK only too.

    That's the info I have from some internal sources.... Let's see.

    I will be more than a little surprised if this is the case.  Would only make sense if the GT4 and Spyder also used turbo motor.  Why bother to develop a new NA 4.0L motor if then could just throw in the existing 3.0TT?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


     
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