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Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
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Nov 13, 2019 12:34:14 PM
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Whoopsy:It is better than saying I have a brain dead moment and nailed the gas too hard while trying to cut across traffic lanes to pass..............while negotiating a corner......................
True sad story my Lamborghini sales guy told me recently: A friend of his working at Audi sold an Audi RS3 to a 18-year old. At first, he refused the sale before he could talk to his parents and the parents and that 18-year old were very upset that the sales guy requested a written statement from the parents that they approve that the 18-year old is buying that car (he had the money, the family is very wealthy). This even went up to the management who supported their sales guy in the decision.
Long story short: A few days later, that 18-year old had an accident at night in an underpass, hitting a massive stone wall at a very high speed. He was in a coma for a couple of days before he died.
This really got me thinking about my son and his desire for a nice car when he gets his driver's license. Won't be easy to make everyone happy, I already know this.
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Nov 14, 2019 1:04:49 PM
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Kids may be good and smart kids but their brain is still not mature yet and can easily make a wrong choice and that is all it takes, one wrong choice. I consider myself a level headed guy and responsible, but when I think back at all the absolutely crazy stunts I did when young with vehicles, it is hard to believe now, and I was a responsible kid in all other areas, well integrated, good grades, etc but when it came to speed and vehicles I was a bloody moron from early teens up to my early 20s. Not very proud of that.
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Nov 14, 2019 2:08:58 PM
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+ 1 . I stil have precise memories of some drive I have done and wonder up to today how I passed these corners without crashing .
My older son, 17 , says he would like either a Mustang or a Camaro when he turns 18 ( camaro because they are pretty cheap second hand ) . Not that he will get one , but that's what he is pushing for .
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Pentium:Same here
I was an absolute moron too about car related stuff when I was young. I can’t believe sometime that I am still alive.
Can't say I was (much) different, I was just lucky that I had the proper training at the time but luck sometimes played a role as well, of course.
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Gnil:+ 1 . I stil have precise memories of some drive I have done and wonder up to today how I passed these corners without crashing .
My older son, 17 , says he would like either a Mustang or a Camaro when he turns 18 ( camaro because they are pretty cheap second hand ) . Not that he will get one , but that's what he is pushing for .
Same here...Challenger, Charger (yes, my son would even go for a Charger), Mustang or Camaro.
My son even made a good point: The Challenger RT has a valet mode which offers only slightly over 160 hp. The problem with that valet mode is: The car becomes way too slow, not safe to drive it on a daily basis, for example when you have to overtake another car or for the Autobahn. 0-100 kph in 16 seconds or so, even for a beginner not really great...and safe.
I honestly don't know what to get him: My Lambo dealer found me a brand-new VW GTi TCR (fully loaded car, worth almost 50k) lease for 300 EUR a month (no down payment), a real bargain but this car is too fast for a beginner. 
There were some 200 EUR a month leases for less powerful GTi models but even these cars were too fast in my opinion.
Maybe we should start a whole new discussion thread on "what first car to get your kid". 
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RC:Maybe we should start a whole new discussion thread on "what first car to get your kid".
We should . I also don't know what to get him . Not too fast, not to clumsy , not too small , not to uncool, not too cool, not too expensive , not too ... 
Whoopsy got his son a Golf R . As a first car I would not get this . Maybe as a second or third .
I fun little car , from a drivers perspective , not too powerful and with RWD , is the Toyota GT86 or Subaru BRZ ( both are the same car ) but maybe those are already too fast . Sometimes I think an old 996 . They are pretty cheap at the moment , but then again , Porsche as a first car is maybe not ideal
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Nov 14, 2019 4:10:45 PM
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Carlos from Spain:Kids may be good and smart kids but their brain is still not mature yet and can easily make a wrong choice and that is all it takes, one wrong choice. I consider myself a level headed guy and responsible, but when I think back at all the absolutely crazy stunts I did when young with vehicles, it is hard to believe now, and I was a responsible kid in all other areas, well integrated, good grades, etc but when it came to speed and vehicles I was a bloody moron from early teens up to my early 20s. Not very proud of that.
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I guess my oldest son is different then. At first when he got the learner license I asked what do you want. He actually said he wanted a Golf. The base model, not even the GTI. I ended up doing the Golf R for him instead. He could have driven any car at home and I asked him which do you want to drive and I will add his name to the insurance. He said everything is too fast for him and he stick to the Golf. Earlier this year he said he wanted a convertible as a present for getting the proper license, and he wanted a Miata. We settled for the 124 Spider instead. We shared that car but he drives that one more than the Golf R. Even less HP.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
When I was 19 I almost killed myself in a car accident. I was way too fast, didn't know what to do when the car understeered like crazy, then hit a couple of trees and flipped around. When my son got his learner license, I took him to a bunch of (young) driver trainings and also let him drive the Porsche on a race track (with instructor). I'll also take him to some drift fun in the coming winter. My idea is that a) he understands basic driving physics b) he learns to handle a car in unnormal situations and c) he learns that speeding on public roads is stupid and dangerous. But I'm not too sure that this will actually work, since it may create an unjustified confidence
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Same as above - drove too fast at times in my youth without insight and sufficient experience.
My son (now 18) has done a moderate amount of karting with me, driver training and a track days.
I hope this has 2 benefits. First a better understanding of the physics of car control, and secondly I trust he will be less inclined to speed on the roads given alternatives.
Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
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Possibly.
In Australia the local Defender 110 military variant was called the Perentie.
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The army is using G Wagons now
Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
I agree that kids need to learn about the physics in a car by taking proper driver trainings on track . I will do that with mine . But this can also lead to overconfidence on public roads . Hopefully they will grasp the difference between public road and a track .
Today is not the same as 35 years ago . Young people are less prone to drive fast on public roads due to heavier traffic laws, heavier traffic , less car culture .
The above Land Rover would be best 
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Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
Gnil:I agree that kids need to learn about the physics in a car by taking proper driver trainings on track . I will do that with mine . But this can also lead to overconfidence on public roads . Hopefully they will grasp the difference between public road and a track .
Today is not the same as 35 years ago . Young people are less prone to drive fast on public roads due to heavier traffic laws, heavier traffic , less car culture .
The above Land Rover would be best
My godchild wants to (just) get a driving licence next year, but has no whatsoever desire to own a car...times are changing, car-sharing, rental car, if needed, etc ...
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d997h:Gnil:I agree that kids need to learn about the physics in a car by taking proper driver trainings on track . I will do that with mine . But this can also lead to overconfidence on public roads . Hopefully they will grasp the difference between public road and a track .
Today is not the same as 35 years ago . Young people are less prone to drive fast on public roads due to heavier traffic laws, heavier traffic , less car culture .
The above Land Rover would be best
My godchild wants to (just) get a driving licence next year, but has no whatsoever desire to own a car...times are changing, car-sharing, rental car, if needed, etc ...
My son is 100% a petrolhead, very difficult times for him ahead (with EVs and all) and for me (as a parent) as well.
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Kids got, as gifts, only well used cars from somewhere in the extended family... lesson was that their first new car was going to be earned with their own $$$.... hint: stay in school, get focused on career paths, etc. first. Other benefits: used usually equals modest, slower, not that cool to cruise with friends, and less reliable = learning about real world maintenance costs. Result? Grown up kids that are very realistic about car needs vs wants vs income.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
There is nothing more sobering than showing a soon to be adolescent driver photographs of injuries received as a result of high speed driving. They’ll learn that speed compromises all the safety features of a vehicle. More often than not the injuries will be permanent or fatal.
Tell your children who want cars they will start with a low powered car one which will discourage racing and if after a couple of years without citations and no accidents you would consider a more powerful car.
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Nov 16, 2019 3:58:40 PM
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The photographs may work for us but doesn't work too well with adolescents though, they don't see risk like we do, they will think that it will never happen to them and do it anyway. I lost friends in bad motorbike accidents and even that didn't stop me racing on the streets doing the same thing that got them killed, image the impact of just photos of anonymous people.
Only thing you can do is limit the opportunity they have to take such risks until they are more mature, like the second thing you mentioned about getting a slower car for them and only if they show control, get a better one later on.
Hope I don't bore anybody on the neuroscientific background of the subject but in case some find it interesting, the brain doesn't fully develop until 25 years of age on average, but the interesting thing is that the last part to develop is precisely the frontal cortex, which is where emotional control, risk assessment, and all the other higher order cognitive functions are located, this serves as an evolutionary advantage as this makes the frontal cortex (and our higher commands functions) more dependant on environment and less on genes hence more adaptive and flexible to the current environmental needs, and humans are the only animals who have an adolescent stage between childhood and adulthood, but their dopamine reward system doesn't even function normally yet, they need much higher rewards to get the same pleasure reaction than adults, couple that with a sense of invincibility and predisposition to risk taking, and they result explains the testimonies many of us have posted in this thread of our younger years and speed.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)
nberry:
Tell your children who want cars they will start with a low powered car one which will discourage racing and if after a couple of years without citations and no accidents you would consider a more powerful car.
Wow, total parental control, not always how it works..... I was a petrolhead from a young age and my friends and I bought our own cheap cars (from doing bar work/labouring jobs) and maintained and modified them and they were plenty fast enough (Ford RS2000 MK 2 at 18). Seems a lot of you guys are totally silver spooning your kids and the above almost sounds like you have power issues
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