Josef:To be honest, the car looks really weird in this picture. The proportions somehow do not work, especially the yellow part between the lights and the black part of the bumper
I think as with all modern 911 versions since the 996, the light bar just sits too high (and seems to be positioned higher and higher with every new model). Perhaps someone could p-shop the light bar of the yellow car above a bit lower just to see if I'm right?
We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.
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True, and since the rear lights have become smaller and smaller after the 997, there is now a disproportion between the large vertical space occupied by the black lower bumper and the small vertical space occupied by the lights/light bar. Had the black lower bumper been a bit more subtle, then it wouldn't have looked so weird either.
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Dec 6, 2018 8:21:05 AM
Rossi:Josef:To be honest, the car looks really weird in this picture. The proportions somehow do not work, especially the yellow part between the lights and the black part of the bumper
I think as with all modern 911 versions since the 996, the light bar just sits too high (and seems to be positioned higher and higher with every new model). Perhaps someone could p-shop the light bar of the yellow car above a bit lower just to see if I'm right?
Maybe this has something to do with crashes, so in a rear bumping accident, the taillights don't get smashed as well?
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Dec 6, 2018 10:21:09 AM
Dec 6, 2018 2:14:53 PM
Rossi:Josef:To be honest, the car looks really weird in this picture. The proportions somehow do not work, especially the yellow part between the lights and the black part of the bumper
I think as with all modern 911 versions since the 996, the light bar just sits too high (and seems to be positioned higher and higher with every new model). Perhaps someone could p-shop the light bar of the yellow car above a bit lower just to see if I'm right?
Aerodynamics and crash regulations have caused Porsche to raise the rear of the 911. The horizontal light bar draws the eye toward seeing with versus height and this is why even the 991 tail lamps were horizontal biased compared with previous generations without the center reflective piece.
Dec 6, 2018 2:40:52 PM
This is a marketing driven car, not an engineering driven car. Add the minimum hp and ever bigger tires to claim it's faster. Throw in a couple new colors, new bumpers, door handles and revised dash and you have a 991.3, .4 if you're being generous for the extra PDK gear. By the time the 992 GT2 RS and the other unobtainable models roll out, the platform will be 14 years old.
Dec 6, 2018 2:56:35 PM
A most unsuccessful redesign of the classic 911 shape.
Especially the rear is a huge disappointment. The large black section of the rear bumper makes the lights look tiny. Had the black bumper section been painted in body colour, entirely or in part, then the whole rear of the car would have looked huge a la Panamera Gen1.
It is totally out of proportion in the search of some novelty
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Dec 6, 2018 3:03:57 PM
waiting for PDK:This is a marketing driven car, not an engineering driven car. Add the minimum hp and ever bigger tires to claim it's faster. Throw in a couple new colors, new bumpers, door handles and revised dash and you have a 991.3, .4 if you're being generous for the extra PDK gear. By the time the 992 GT2 RS and the other unobtainable models roll out, the platform will be 14 years old.
Porsche has been more market driven with the 911 for several decades so this is nothing new.
Dec 6, 2018 5:47:29 PM
The main difference on the rear of the 992 is the removal of the licence plate recess from the 991.2. That leaves a large area of painted plastic which is a bit of a visual jar when first seen in 2D photographs. I imagine it will look a lot better in the metal when we all have a chance to see the shape in 3D.
Partially re-instating that recess breaks up that area of painted plastic and makes quite a visual difference. Something to be addressed on the 992.2 perhaps.
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Spyderidol:I like it ...a lot!
Me too! Instantly ages the 991.
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Dec 6, 2018 9:12:38 PM
Carlos from Spain:4trac:It would be interesting to overlay side views of 991 vs 992, which would presumably show how much the shape, including rear height, has changed.
Interesting although I thought the class house is identical, both front , side and back.....
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Dec 6, 2018 9:51:00 PM
Yeah, I like the new Gentian Blue more than any other recent ones. Didn't know what it was, so looked it up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentiana
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Dec 6, 2018 10:17:46 PM
Grant:Yeah, I like the new Gentian Blue more than any other recent ones. Didn't know what it was, so looked it up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentiana
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It is amazing to see how much work goes into developing the color palette for a new model. I have always felt that General Motors should be at the forefront of automobile design given that company's resources but, alas, this company always proves me wrong. Few automakers have any place like the Eero Saarinen-designed Technology Center in Warren, Michigan. That place is magically especially when one also considers that GM design has a center in the middle of the Arizona desert for getting a different natural lighting source. I mention this because it was Harley Earl at GM that introduced modern color design as a means of upstaging Ford.
Ford originally manufactured the Model T in a variety of colors. Unfortunately, paint chemistry wasn't too advanced so the car bodies were often left in fields to dry for a couple of weeks. This increasing work-in-process inventory, leading to higher costs from repairing damaged bodies and to higher working capital needs. Ford realized this and set his engineers to develop a quicker drying paint. That paint was used for stove pipes and could only be manufactured in black, so Ford made the majority of the Model Ts in black. General Motors trying to upstage Ford relied on its majority investor, DuPont Chemicals, to develop a line of quick-drying lacquer finishes. After Chevrolet started producing cars in myriad colors, Ford returned color to the Model T with cut vibrantly named paints as Drake Green, Channel Green, Windsor Maroon, and Fawn Gray. However, the market shifted toward more modern designs too so Ford's son finally convinced his father to develop a new model. That model, the Model A, was wildly successful and had around 800,000 deposits in 1927 before production began.