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Re: NISSAN GT-R vs REAL LIFE?!?!
While all this may not be good news for Porsche it is great for consumers. All sports car enthusiasts should be grateful to Nissan for shaking up the status quo and spurring more competition.
And Porsche fans can take some comfort in knowing that while the GTR may get close the GT2 lap times, Nissan will never be the brand of choice for discerning international men of mystery.
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MKSGR:
eclou:Do you know by chance whether any independant comparison of the Bridgestone and the Dunlop tires were done so far?
Crash:Crash, a few folks in the US have tested the softness of the Bridgestone RE70R on a new GTR with a durometer. The results showed it to be about as soft as a Nitto NT01 or Toyo R888, which are not quite as soft as a Michelin Cup. The N spec Michelin Cups or "Cup+" tires are not quite as soft as a non-N spec Cup, which would suggest that the Cup+ and Bridgestone are about on par. The quick wear rate of the Bridgestones (<5k mile lifespan) also suggests the RE70R is essentially an R-compound tire.
How do The N0-rated MPSC tyres on the GT2 compare against the Bidgestones, worn by the GT-R, when it comes to the damp test conditions? Would the GT-R in fact be quicker with the Dunlops or not?
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I don't think so. We just have this from Nissan:
Cornered at the Paris Auto Show, Nissan’s European spokesman Neil Reeve said “Quite simply we’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche.” And then did exactly that. “The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom. They’re not trick tyres – absolutely standard tyres, normal road tyres. The GT-R comes with Bridgestone and Goodyear (Dunlop). One tyre gives slightly better times around the ‘Ring. We did it on Dunlop. They’re available with the car.” When car.com.au’s Andrew Heasley pushed him for an explanation, well, read between the lines. “We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki - the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps - he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can’t speculate. I can’t explain why they couldn’t match the time.”
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eclou:
AUM it is a standard on the GTR but don't try to pretend that the RE70R is like a regular street tire. The durometer does not lie. The <5k treadlife does not lie. Looking up the availability of the RE70R shows it to be manufactured only in the sizes for the GTR. It is not the same as the RE70.
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Here is a link to another forum that has many pages on this topic. After reading all that, I have nothing left to add!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=605408&i=100
Here is a sample:
T.Suzuki's capability in the GT-R is unmatched and certainly will never be tested by drivers who have never driven anything as dynamically unique as the GT-R.
When was the last time W.Rorhl or Wolfgang drove an ATTESSA platformed AWD car with a 600lb engine over the front axle and a 350lb gearbox over the rear axle?
I'll tell you: Never.
Nissan understands this situation completely. For the Nurburgring press intro to the GT-R last year they had called in a group of drivers for the purpose of taking the less experienced press for a lap around the nurb. During their time there these drivers produced lap times of 7:44 upwards with most coming in at 7:55 to 7:58 and some as low as 8:13.
Suzuki, being the primary test driver, is the only one capable of driving the GT-R to it's real limit.
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KresoF1:
Crash:
rhino:Hi Rhino! Thanks for the welcome!
Yes Crash the Rennteamers were worried. Welcome back!
I was worried... Great to see you back!
BTW, you moved to Slovakia
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Hey Krešo!
Good to speak to you as well! No, I didn´t move to Slovakia. It´s more of an inside joke. I might change it back, so as not to cause undue confusion.
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AUM,
any professional driver (like WR) should be able to drive even a Skoda, MC12, and Prius back to back and extract 99.9% of the performance potential within a few minutes. That's why they are called pros.
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Re: NISSAN GT-R vs REAL LIFE?!?!
eclou:
AUM,
any professional driver (like WR) should be able to drive even a Skoda, MC12, and Prius back to back and extract 99.9% of the performance potential within a few minutes. That's why they are called pros.
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Exactly right! 
It's a sure sign that you have run out of real arguments when you are so desperate that you are reduced to quoting posts from another forum which happen to support your own views. 
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fritz
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fritz:My views are agnostic and I have nothing more to add. This topic has been beaten to death.
eclou:
AUM,
any professional driver (like WR) should be able to drive even a Skoda, MC12, and Prius back to back and extract 99.9% of the performance potential within a few minutes. That's why they are called pros.
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Exactly right!It's a sure sign that you have run out of real arguments when you are so desperate that you are reduced to quoting posts from another forum which happen to support your own views.
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fritz
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fritz:My opinion after driving the GTR on a track and considering all the pros and cons is that there is no evidence of Nissan cheating. I would be surprised if anyone else can match Suzuki's time since the GTR was developed around his driving style and it took him thousands of laps to get the perfect lap. And I really have nothing more to add.
eclou:
AUM,
any professional driver (like WR) should be able to drive even a Skoda, MC12, and Prius back to back and extract 99.9% of the performance potential within a few minutes. That's why they are called pros.
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Exactly right!It's a sure sign that you have run out of real arguments when you are so desperate that you are reduced to quoting posts from another forum which happen to support your own views.
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fritz
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Re: NISSAN GT-R vs REAL LIFE?!?!
AUM:
My opinion after driving the GTR on a track and considering all the pros and cons is that there is no evidence of Nissan cheating. I would be surprised if anyone else can match Suzuki's time since the GTR was developed around his driving style and it took him thousands of laps to get the perfect lap. And I really have nothing more to add.
It's a sure sign that you have run out of real arguments when you are so desperate that you are reduced to quoting posts from another forum which happen to support your own views.
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fritz
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I thought agnostics were supposed to be people who didn't have such incisive opinions? 
So if the GT-R has been exclusively tailored to Tochio Suzuki's driving style and still took him thousands of laps to get its ultimate performance out of it, why should anyone else ever want to buy it? 
PS: I agree that this topic has been flogged to death. Maybe now we won't hear anymore about it until the Auto Sport Supertest report is published in the spring.
But I doubt it somehow. 
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fritz
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5 seconds on the Ring is about 1% of a 7.30 lap. 20 seconds is just a 4% margin. We see bigger margins between the identical cars in A1GP.
Any average tracker can drive the GTR very fast. Any pro can drive the GTR near its limit (within 5%). But to drive at the absolute limit is something else.
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TEE1:
AUM:
Suzuki, being the primary test driver, is the only one capable of driving the GT-R to it's real limit.
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Now that is simply nonesense in my view
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Off enjoying my car...
We all need a driving lesson when it comes to the GTR because of its sophisticated DSG box + 4wd system
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Oh Scheiße!
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AUM:
And WR seems to be the only driver capable of extracting the full potential of the 997 Turbo. 7.38 WR vs 7.54 for HvS
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Just to correct you HvS did 7.52min with second sample of 997 Turbo(little bit different PASM setup). Current 997 Turbo with little bit revised PTM and Bucket seats(weight overall at 1560kg level) is capable of 7.48min in HvS hands. Trust me on this...
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We have now produced a video combining the two (video-in-video) together with Chris talking us around the lap. It provides a little more insight beyond that provided thus far.
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=61a64bd813c44161b345e9f706147ad9&area=features
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____________________________________ Steve
Re: NISSAN GT-R vs REAL LIFE?!?!
We have now produced a video combining the two (video-in-video) together with Chris talking us around the lap. It provides a little more insight beyond that provided thus far.
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=61a64bd813c44161b345e9f706147ad9&area=features
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____________________________________ Steve
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