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    Rumours

    Hi,

    according to what will become my dealer (I'm planning to buy to Boxster S or Cayman S) there will be no 211 hp version of the Boxster for MY 2007. (here in Belgium we have a 211hp version of the 240 because of tax reasons). He even mentioned that the 2.7 engine will disappear next year, and will be replaced by a bigger engine. He also stated (I'm wondering if he was even sure about what he was talking about) that the Boxster S MY 2007 could get the 3.4 from the Cayman.

    Did any of you heard anything about this?

    grtz

    DVW

    Re: Rumours

    One of the few selling "arguments" for the Cayman S is the stronger and larger displacement engine compared to the Boxster S. So I highly doubt that Porsche would be THAT dumb to replace the Boxster S engine with the Cayman S engine. I also doubt that the 2.7 l engine disappears because what would Porsche use for the upcoming Cayman (not S) with the rumored 250 HP?

    So maybe the 211 HP version for Belgium will not be available anymore but I doubt there will be any substantial increase in power or displacement any time soon.
    People are still waiting for a high power version of the Boxster and Cayman and as long as this doesn't happen, don't expect too many changes.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Unless the plan is to bring the Boxster S closer in price to the Cayman S.
    People have been speculating as to the reason why the Cayman is prices so high compared to the Boxster, when there isn't much there to justify that premium. One reason I can think of is that Cayman pricing is a Trojan horse that will permit Porsche to reposition the Bosxter S in the mid-upper $50's price range.

    Porsche already took a first step with their not insignificant 2006 price increase. Perhaps this strategy is necessary to close the price gap between the US and the rest of the world.

    Just speculating...

    Kamal (MA)

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    That came to my mind also because it would fit perfectly into the Porsche marketing strategy (or should i say greed ?)

    Regarding prices in Germany: Germany is not exactly the cheapest place to buy a Porsche. Compared to the US which is Porsche's biggest market of course, the face value of stickers are quite similar, but if you translate the US-$ figures into Euro -figures the cars in Germany will cost you appr. 20% more due to the foreign exchange ratio ($ vs. Euro ).
    Also stock equipment in the US sometimes provides more value to the customer. As an example: Boxster S in the US has the sound package plus as standard equipment AFAIK while in Germany you have to pay an additional 568 Euro (including taxes) - I'm sure there are more examples of that kind.

    Having said that I am well aware that Germany still is not so expensive compared to countries with excessive import duties / taxes (check out Dr. Phil's posts with unbelievable prices in Denmark)

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    About $7000 differnece here in the UK, and not discount available on any model (well OK you cn get a full tank of fuel and a set of carpet mats thrown in )

    Prices for secondhand 987s are not holding up all that well, and the cayman intro will not help in this respect. Plus BMW are rumoured to be launching the Z4M just below the base price of the 987S

    I think the days of Porsche charging a premium are coming to an end, and not surprising given the rate they're falling off the production line.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    z4m is cheaper than a boxster s?

    what a pitty, i actually assumed it would be more expenive than the 987s ,since its a mighty "///M" powered BMW.

    well i guess if they had the confidence that the Z4M would sell, they would have priced it between the 987s and slk55.

    my 2 cents

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    amir sarmad said:
    z4m is cheaper than a boxster s?

    what a pitty, i actually assumed it would be more expenive than the 987s ,since its a mighty "///M" powered BMW.

    well i guess if they had the confidence that the Z4M would sell, they would have priced it between the 987s and slk55.




    Guess the BMW marketing guys really do know what they're doing.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    amir sarmad said:
    z4m is cheaper than a boxster s?

    what a pitty, i actually assumed it would be more expenive than the 987s ,since its a mighty "///M" powered BMW.

    well i guess if they had the confidence that the Z4M would sell, they would have priced it between the 987s and slk55.

    my 2 cents



    I'm not sure it has something to do with confidence. I think BMW will put a lot of additional pressure upon Porsche to offer a long awaited high power version of the Boxster. Only this: the 300+ HP Boxster is coming, it is only a matter of time and what I can tell you for sure: it won't take as long as people expect.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up, that is the next to the last year for the M96 engine.

    997 Carrera S 390 hp,997 Carrera 360 hp,987 Boxster S 300 hp
    987 Boxster 272 hp, C7 Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    RC, do you think the 987s is going to come with a 300hp engine or the same 280hp engine with the option of a powerkit that gives it 300hp?

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up, that is the next to the last year for the M96 engine.

    997 Carrera S 390 hp,997 Carrera 360 hp,987 Boxster S 300 hp
    987 Boxster 272 hp, C7 Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    I love the Cayman comment...you seem to have watched the discussion on the Cayman forum very closely.

    My guess for the facelift would be:
    Carrera 345 HP
    Carrera S 380 HP
    Boxster 250 HP
    Boxster S 290 HP
    Boxster RS 315 HP
    Cayman S 300 HP
    Cayman RS 325 HP

    This is 100% speculation, nothing is based on facts or even rumors.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up. . .
    . . .Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    But Jim, for a car to handle, don't its wheels have to be able to roll first?

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up, that is the next to the last year for the M96 engine.

    997 Carrera S 390 hp,997 Carrera 360 hp,987 Boxster S 300 hp
    987 Boxster 272 hp, C7 Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    I love the Cayman comment...you seem to have watched the discussion on the Cayman forum very closely.

    My guess for the facelift would be:
    Carrera 345 HP
    Carrera S 380 HP
    Boxster 250 HP
    Boxster S 290 HP
    Boxster RS 315 HP
    Cayman S 300 HP
    Cayman RS 325 HP

    This is 100% speculation, nothing is based on facts or even rumors.



    I thought Cayman RS was supposed to be 333 HP . That would be good though, hope they make it.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    Al Pettee said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up. . .
    . . .Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    But Jim, for a car to handle, don't its wheels have to be able to roll first?



    Al, the 2007 Cayman will be first Porsche model to offer
    PSTS - Porsche Speed Towing System, a advanced Weissach
    engineered retractable front tow bar. When connected to
    a 997 with rear PSTS, the Cayman will be able to maintain lap speed until released to slingshot past the 997 tow car.


    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    WEll BMW marketing have done their homework i reckon...

    340bhp 3.2litre straight 6, M differential, 18" wheels (for ride quality), revised steering

    Will come with all the goodies thrown in no doubt (sat nav, cd changer and sound upgrades optional), and all for Pounds300 less than the base price of a 987S

    Ok its still a Z4, but you can bet it'll be a significant step on from the 3.0i, and the coupe will have better handling.

    But its still not a Porsche and that still means something when you pull into any carpark, or hotel entrance

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    amir sarmad said:
    z4m is cheaper than a boxster s?

    what a pitty, i actually assumed it would be more expenive than the 987s ,since its a mighty "///M" powered BMW.




    The M-roadster will cost 57,900 Euro in Germany (Boxster S 52,265 Euro), however I do not know about the M-roadster's stock equipment (Xenon, Nav, Audio-system, 19" included ?), so the price gap might narrow if taking some of the Porsche options into consideration, which might be included in a stock M-Roadster.

    The M-roadster will be equipped with a 3.2 L 343 HP 6-cylinder; 0-100 km/h is reported as 5.0 sec, topspeed 300 km/h.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Im not too impressed with Boxster factory faults like RMS, multi piece easy to leak oil filler neck, sketchy MAF sensors, grenate engines (!) and alu look that rubs off from being touched on a hot day. It makes it hard to honestly reccommend a car like that to friends.

    If the Z4M can provide 95% of the handling ability of a 987 Boxster with 120% of its accelleration it might be the better choice for the money.

    Course it will never handle as well as the all wonderful trendsetting Cayman, but people wont laugh at its name either.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Im not too impressed with Boxster factory faults like RMS, multi piece easy to leak oil filler neck, sketchy MAF sensors, grenate engines (!) and alu look that rubs off from being touched on a hot day. It makes it hard to honestly reccommend a car like that to friends.





    Must be talking about a different car than mine. Absolutely faultless in every respect. I cannot imagine in my wildest nightmare that a Z4, M or otherwise, will be a match for a Boxster other than in straight line acceleration or $ per bhp. But then a Z4 is only a 3 series BMW in drag.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    dreamcar said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Im not too impressed with Boxster factory faults like RMS, multi piece easy to leak oil filler neck, sketchy MAF sensors, grenate engines (!) and alu look that rubs off from being touched on a hot day. It makes it hard to honestly reccommend a car like that to friends.






    Must be talking about a different car than mine. Absolutely faultless in every respect. I cannot imagine in my wildest nightmare that a Z4, M or otherwise, will be a match for a Boxster other than in straight line acceleration or $ per bhp. But then a Z4 is only a 3 series BMW in drag.



    Don't talk too soon!

    Just google Porsche M96 RMS Failure

    Yes the Z4 chassis is a like a toupe on a bald man, but if it doesnt have the urge to be towed into dealerships it may be the better way to go.

    I love Porsches. The M96 engine has proved itself to be unlovable.

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Don't forget that the BMW 3.2 M engine has a nasty habit of blowing up, either!

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up, that is the next to the last year for the M96 engine.

    997 Carrera S 390 hp,997 Carrera 360 hp,987 Boxster S 300 hp
    987 Boxster 272 hp, C7 Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    I love the Cayman comment...you seem to have watched the discussion on the Cayman forum very closely.

    My guess for the facelift would be:
    Carrera 345 HP
    Carrera S 380 HP
    Boxster 250 HP
    Boxster S 290 HP
    Boxster RS 315 HP
    Cayman S 300 HP
    Cayman RS 325 HP

    This is 100% speculation, nothing is based on facts or even rumors.



    RC, I assume the facelift you refer to is the one hoped for in MY2008?

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    300hp Boxster? RC, you are a relentless fortune teller !

    That would fit with the 2007 line up, that is the next to the last year for the M96 engine.

    997 Carrera S 390 hp,997 Carrera 360 hp,987 Boxster S 300 hp
    987 Boxster 272 hp, C7 Cayman S 120 hp(handling is enough!)

    All a wild guess!



    I love the Cayman comment...you seem to have watched the discussion on the Cayman forum very closely.

    My guess for the facelift would be:
    Carrera 345 HP
    Carrera S 380 HP
    Boxster 250 HP
    Boxster S 290 HP
    Boxster RS 315 HP
    Cayman S 300 HP
    Cayman RS 325 HP

    This is 100% speculation, nothing is based on facts or even rumors.



    Rc ,which is your personal forecast for Cayenne rest power figure?

    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    dreamcar said:
    Don't forget that the BMW 3.2 M engine has a nasty habit of blowing up, either!



    That used to be true, here's what Otwo9 had to say about in a Z4 M thread on the Sports Car board:

    Quote:
    0two9 said:
    True and they only happened during 1 or 2 years of the m3 build, not the entire line. In the begining a lot of owners thought that it was the way in which us Americans break in our car however,we take just as much care in doing that as everyone else in the world. (after looking at the guy in hk that bought his M5 with just 100 miles on it or so and revving the hell out of it to 8000k rpm on a back road).Also, for the M3's with defective engines, bmw either replaced the entire engine for free and gave a loaneror the person got a new car. I personally own an 02' M3 and never had any issue out of the ordinary, aside from the typical bmw engine battery issue (for some reason my bmw never told me when it was low on juice until I was at a WAWA on a great weekend day and it ran out) and the occassional flat tire as a result of nails.


    Re: Rumours: Repositioning the Boxster S...

    Quote:
    dreamcar said:
    Must be talking about a different car than mine. Absolutely faultless in every respect.



    I have a friend whose Boxster spent the best part of this summer at a dealer because of RMS (which meant that I didn't get to drive it as much ).
    And another friend's E46 M3 has been faultless since he got it.

    So I think we should just agree that they each have their strenghts and weaknesses and stop "bashing"

     
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