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Someone shared this with me recently from a German insurance site.  399hp (21hp less than Spyder and GT4):

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cool find, yes, I heard that this "Cayman 6 / Boxster 6" is still in the grapevines - wait and see...

Sounds lovely... something to consider as a daily driver. 

I wonder how they will price it.

I don't quite understand the ratings in the table, but it looks like it is in an even higher bracket than the GT4 when it comes to full, comprehensive coverage. Perhaps someone familiar with German insurance rates can explain?

Nice catch.  

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KMM:

I wonder how they will price it.

I don't quite understand the ratings in the table, but it looks like it is in an even higher bracket than the GT4 when it comes to full, comprehensive coverage. 

To me, the new GTS 4.0 looks to be in a lower bracket than GT4 and Spyder (and same as GTS 2.5)

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That’s a great find Grant, well done.!  A 400 bhp six cylinder Boxster.... tempting! I’ll certainly try one out when it appears but probably unlikely that I would actually sign up for one.  I’m older, (if not wiser)  and now retired with other priorities  

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Great news if you ask me  I would certainly consider getting one, no way I would get the 4-cyl. The Spyder was also interesting but I am done with the games.

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dreamcar:

That’s a great find Grant, well done.!  A 400 bhp six cylinder Boxster.... tempting! I’ll certainly try one out when it appears but probably unlikely that I would actually sign up for one.  I’m older, (if not wiser)  and now retired with other priorities  

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Even less responsible (but maybe collectible), they are supposedly going to have a 25th Anniversary Boxster made in the original Concept color scheme with ~450hp from NA Flat-6.

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This new version can be very tempting, mas sure it will be expensive

This version must be between the €80.000 4C GTS and the Spyder at €93.000, say €87.000.

Very expensive if you consider that a BMW Z4 M40i costs €61.000 with more equipment but good value compared to a 992 Carrera starting at €104.000. Besides the 718 chassis is exquisite and Porsche is at a higher level as a brand name compared to the premium brands thus commanding higher prices.

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reginos:

This version must be between the €80.000 4C GTS and the Spyder at €93.000, say €87.000.

Very expensive if you consider that a BMW Z4 M40i costs €61.000 with more equipment but good value compared to a 992 Carrera starting at €104.000. Besides the 718 chassis is exquisite and Porsche is at a higher level as a brand name compared to the premium brands thus commanding higher prices.

Just like SUVs allowed Porsche to continue to invest in the 911, EVs at Porsche will allow it to continue with ICEs on its sports cars for a few more years.  While one agrees with your statement on pricing, a 4.0l GTS variant is infinitely more desirable than a BMW Z4 m40i on a number of parameters.  

But the GT4’s take over the front end suspension from the GT3 and the full GT3 brakes, so still special... I might btw have the option to get a new GT4. Seems like a brilliant little package but if I was planning on having it for a year as a holding pattern for a new GT3, what do you guys reckon I will lose on it vs list?

Saw that in germany the other week

reginos:

This version must be between the €80.000 4C GTS and the Spyder at €93.000, say €87.000.

Very expensive if you consider that a BMW Z4 M40i costs €61.000 with more equipment but good value compared to a 992 Carrera starting at €104.000. Besides the 718 chassis is exquisite and Porsche is at a higher level as a brand name compared to the premium brands thus commanding higher prices.

Maybe (wishful thinking here)  Porsche might discontinue the unpopular flat four GTS and replace it with the six cylinder at close to the same price? A flat four turbocharged engine can’t be much - if any - cheaper to produce than a N/A six and this increased volume would help support development costs of the 4.0 litre engine used in the limited edition Spyder and GT4? If the price was much more than the current F4 GTS if I was going to buy another Porsche I would look instead at a low mileage used 911/2 Carrera S At the right price Porsche would have a really desirable mainstream mid engine sports car again! 

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dreamcar:

Maybe (wishful thinking here)  Porsche might discontinue the unpopular flat four GTS and replace it with the six cylinder at close to the same price? A flat four turbocharged engine can’t be much - if any - cheaper to produce than a N/A six and this increased volume would help support development costs of the 4.0 litre engine used in the limited edition Spyder and GT4?

 

Nice idea, but unfortunately the reasons that caused them to go 4-cyl in the first place still exist (regs for emissions and consumption).

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Grant:

dreamcar:

Maybe (wishful thinking here)  Porsche might discontinue the unpopular flat four GTS and replace it with the six cylinder at close to the same price? A flat four turbocharged engine can’t be much - if any - cheaper to produce than a N/A six and this increased volume would help support development costs of the 4.0 litre engine used in the limited edition Spyder and GT4?

Nice idea, but unfortunately the reasons that caused them to go 4-cyl in the first place still exist (regs for emissions and consumption).

The new 4.0 flat-six includes cylinder de-activation that can effectively shut down three cylinders when eco-driving... 

Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder — Engine and Performance

Emotive powerhouse

718 Spyder: Fuel consumption combined 10.9 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined 249 g/km
718 Cayman GT4: Fuel consumption combined 10.9 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined 249 g/km

The high-revving, high-performance and efficient heart of the new Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder is a specially developed six-cylinder 4.0-litre boxer engine with lots of high-tech GT genes. The naturally aspirated engine is based on the same engine family as the turbocharged motors in the current 911 Carrera model series. With 309 kW (420 PS) and a linear power delivery, the most powerful and most emotive engine in the 718 model series captivates with its especially direct responsiveness and striking sound. It is happy to rev up to 8,000 rpm and reaches peak power at 7,600 rpm with 35 PS more than its 3.8-litre GT4 predecessor. The Spyder, which for the first time contains an identical engine, has 45 PS more than the last Spyder and, while it delivers maximum torque of 420 newton metres at between 5,000 and 6,800 rpm, its maximum engine speed is 200 rpm higher at 8,000 rpm.

This makes for thrilling performance. The new 718 Cayman GT4 reaches a top speed of 304 km/h, while the 718 Spyder can reach 301 km/h. They both outdo their predecessors significantly, by nine and 11 km/h respectively.

They both achieve the standard sprint from 0-100 km/h in 4.4 seconds. Their even more dynamic temperament and improved mid-range flexibility are particularly impressive: the 718 Spyder accelerates from 80 to 120 km/h in just 6.0 seconds in fifth gear. The 718 Cayman GT4 achieves an identical figure. The two mid-engined sports cars demonstrate their efficiency with a combined NEDC fuel consumption of 10.9 l/100 km.

High power output and torque values

The high-revving six-cylinder engine is based on intensively refined technologies for the 4.0-litre boxer engine. Mechanically, a stable base is formed by an extremely rigid high-strength forged-steel crankshaft, geometrically optimised connecting rods and a generously dimensioned crankshaft main bearing with a diameter of 67 mm. The robust plastic sump weighs 36.5 per cent less than the comparable cast part of the last model.

In view of the high engine speeds possible, rocker arms with hydraulic valve clearance compensation are responsible for operating the valves. The electronic engine management system adjusts the timing of the four VarioCam camshafts according to load requirement and engine speed, for example over an adjustment range of 30 crankshaft degrees on the outlet side. This ensures high power output and torque values across the entire engine speed range, thus improving drivability.

Direct fuel injection with piezo injectors

The mixture that forms in the combustion chambers meets special requirements. The centrally positioned injectors of the direct fuel injection (DFI) system are controlled by piezo elements for the first time in a high-speed engine. They open the injection valves by expanding upon application of a control voltage. When there is no current flowing, the crystals contract and the valve opening closes again. As a result, the fuel is finely atomised with a maximum fuel pressure of 200 bar, and combustion is even more precise. The even better spray pattern of the piezo injector reduces droplet formation on the cylinder walls and counteracts potential soot formation. The result? Fuel consumption and exhaust emissions fall, while the efficiency of the naturally aspirated engine increases.

The variable intake system supports rapid gas exchange in the combustion chambers. It features two resonance valves, which open individually or simultaneously depending on the power requirement and therefore adapt the frequency of the pulsating air column on its way to the valves, according to the engine speed. This improves the fill level in the cylinders and results in more impressive torque characteristics.

Sports exhaust system with gasoline particulate filters

On the outlet side, the new sports exhaust system satisfies several objectives at once thanks to its complex design: its gasoline particulate filters (GPF) play an important role in compliance with the Euro 6d-Temp emissions standard. Its large cross-section reduces exhaust backpressure and therefore increases power while the special arched design of the sports exhaust system provides the necessary clearance for an efficient rear diffuser (see the Body and Aerodynamics section below).

For this purpose, the two main silencers, which were still separate on the last GT4, have been combined to form a central component, which surrounds the diffuser in the shape of a saddle and makes the best possible use of the small amount of available space. Nevertheless, the volume of the silencer is sufficient to meet the strictest noise requirements. Thanks to the valve controller, the iconic boxer sound remains untouched: depending on the engine temperature and load requirements, it combines optimum power delivery with emotive acoustics, especially at high speeds.

Adaptive Cylinder Control

A special innovation to reduce exhaust emissions and fuel consumption is the adaptive cylinder control. At engine speeds of between 1,600 and 3,000 rpm and a load request of up to a maximum torque of 100 Nm, it temporarily interrupts the injection process of one of the two engine banks, and the six-cylinder engine temporarily operates in three-cylinder mode. At constant load, the cylinder bank is changed every 20 seconds to ensure a uniform load and flow through the catalytic converters. With the exception of a slightly different sound profile, this switching back and forth goes unnoticed by the driver. The effect, however, is palpable: the adaptive cylinder control can reduce the CO2 emissions by around 11 grams per kilometre. It can be deactivated together with the start/stop function, which is featured for the first time in the 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder.

Six-speed manual gearbox as standard

The power of the six-cylinder naturally aspirated engine is passed on to the rear wheels by a six-speed manual gearbox with a dual mass flywheel. With its shortened gear lever, it emphasises the emotive driving experience. Dynamic transmission mounts minimise the transmission of oscillations and vibrations from the drivetrain to the body, as well as reducing mass movements of the drive unit when driving in a spirited manner. Add to this the dynamic double-clutch function: it reduces wear and improves vehicle stability when shifting down gears. This function can be activated by pressing the AUTO BLIP button on the centre console. The dual mass flywheel has been carried across from the 911 GT3.

Exhaust quality

Centrally positioned piezo injectors for the high-pressure direct fuel injection, adaptive cylinder control, start/stop function: the exhaust quality of the new high-speed naturally aspirated engine in the Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder is the result of complex technology. The gasoline particulate filters (GPF) in the sports exhaust system make the biggest difference. They benefit from a broadband lambda control unit with one lambda sensor, which controls the composition of the exhaust gas separately for each side and for each cylinder bank. Further sensors monitor the conversion of pollutants in each of the catalytic converters. The necessary regeneration of the GPF happens automatically and without the driver noticing.

Link: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/press-kits/718-spyder-cayman-gt4/motor-und-performance.html

...so it can effectively run as a 3-cylinder engine when required! 

How do the consumption and emissions numbers compare to 2.0 and 2.5 motors?

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Rumors say the GTS 4.0 replaces the GTS "2.5" at a similar price (maybe a little bit increased)

Emissions of the 2.5 GTS are 194 (PDK) to 210 (manual)
I excpect the 400HP version of the 4L a little bit unter the 249 of the Spyder/GT4 and with PDK an additional saving of about 16 (like with the 2.5).
So maybe the GTS 4.0 will be around 225 (PDK) to 241 (manual) which is 10% higher than the flat 4 turbo.
The flat 4 will stay in base and S models.

Sales of the flat 4 are only good in China. Europe and the US prefere 6 cylinders. Because the 6 cylinder turbo will not fit, they have to use a NA motor.

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Thanks!

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dreamcar:

reginos:

This version must be between the €80.000 4C GTS and the Spyder at €93.000, say €87.000.

Very expensive if you consider that a BMW Z4 M40i costs €61.000 with more equipment but good value compared to a 992 Carrera starting at €104.000. Besides the 718 chassis is exquisite and Porsche is at a higher level as a brand name compared to the premium brands thus commanding higher prices.

Maybe (wishful thinking here)  Porsche might discontinue the unpopular flat four GTS and replace it with the six cylinder at close to the same price? A flat four turbocharged engine can’t be much - if any - cheaper to produce than a N/A six and this increased volume would help support development costs of the 4.0 litre engine used in the limited edition Spyder and GT4? If the price was much more than the current F4 GTS if I was going to buy another Porsche I would look instead at a low mileage used 911/2 Carrera S At the right price Porsche would have a really desirable mainstream mid engine sports car again! 

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I don't think that Porsche would be so generous so as to substitute the 4C for a 6C and ask for a similar price regardless of the relative cost of production.

The 4C GTS is very adequate in terms of power and speed for the majority of buyers. I expect Porsche will introduce a 6C below the Spyder (call it GTR like the original 50s-60s 718 model?) for the discerning driver at a higher price.....of course.

So the ranking could be:

Boxster

Boxster S

Boxster GTS

Boxster GTR

Boxster Spyder.

But we could be pleasantly surprised by Porsche if they decide to keep the 4C for their entry versions and change to 6C for the rest.

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It's almost sure that the new GTS variant will be named GTS 4.0. Several OPCs called it already like this and it is listed in the german type registration with this name. 294kw is also more or less fixed.

There could be a special limited model in the future to celebrate 25 years of Boxster. But I expect that not earlier than in 12-14 month (Q1 2021).

The GTS 4.0 is expected to be orderable in february.
 

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acky:

It's almost sure that the new GTS variant will be named GTS 4.0. Several OPCs called it already like this and it is listed in the german type registration with this name. 294kw is also more or less fixed.

There could be a special limited model in the future to celebrate 25 years of Boxster. But I expect that not earlier than in 12-14 month (Q1 2021).

The GTS 4.0 is expected to be orderable in february.
 

Yes, and I would expect the GTS 2.5L to be discontinued (rather than adding another model)

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acky:

Rumors say the GTS 4.0 replaces the GTS "2.5" at a similar price (maybe a little bit increased)

Emissions of the 2.5 GTS are 194 (PDK) to 210 (manual)
I excpect the 400HP version of the 4L a little bit unter the 249 of the Spyder/GT4 and with PDK an additional saving of about 16 (like with the 2.5).
So maybe the GTS 4.0 will be around 225 (PDK) to 241 (manual) which is 10% higher than the flat 4 turbo.
The flat 4 will stay in base and S models.

Sales of the flat four are only good in China.  Europe and the US prefere 6 cylinders. Because the 6 cylinder turbo will not fit, they have to use a NA motor.

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That’s because cars with more than 2 litres are taxed heavily in China.

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The GTS 2.5 is already not anymore orderable here, only if the dealer has a unused left quote for january.
Second the OPCs in Germany are selling all of their GTS demonstration cars. Many GTS 2.5 for sell, asking prices getting lower and lower.

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acky:

The GTS 2.5 is already not anymore orderable here, only if the dealer has a unused left quote for january.
Second the OPCs in Germany are selling all of their GTS demonstration cars. Many GTS 2.5 for sell, asking prices getting lower and lower.

If this is reflected in other markets it indicates that the  F4 GTS is indeed going to be replaced by the 4.0 six. Good news! 

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But Porsche needs to put a different name to this model - for me, Cayman 6 would be just fine...at least Porsche could then invent a story about the 914 6 and how this would then be connected to a new generation of  mid-engined cars...wait and see... I am not sure, whether I will like to see a NA 400 hp Cayman / Boxster given that the base Carrera with turbo 385 hp already gives faster times from 0 - 60 than a GT4 / Spyder...at least Porsche gets rid of this unpleasant broken beetle engine sound...

dreamcar:

acky:

The GTS 2.5 is already not anymore orderable here, only if the dealer has a unused left quote for january.
Second the OPCs in Germany are selling all of their GTS demonstration cars. Many GTS 2.5 for sell, asking prices getting lower and lower.

If this is reflected in other markets it indicates that the  F4 GTS is indeed going to be replaced by the 4.0 six. Good news! 

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If the F6 GTS will sell at a similar price to the (hypothetically discontinued) F4 GTS, people who have bought the older version will feel very short-changed. A disaster for used F4 GTS values!

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